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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-05-15 06:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #2325 ]


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OP

(Anonymous) 2013-05-16 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
Let me say this

I specified SJW's as in the militant radical ones. The ones that speak over people and say things like "It's not okay to be a (Cis) Woman, Period"

The ones who go around telling people "You don't have the right to say you're sad if you live in this country or are of this race" even though they don't know those people and a white person could have been fucking abused.

I have seen people who fall into the groups SJWs claim to stand for say that they're fed up with them because the SJWs keep telling them how to think and feel. It isn't just "woe is me I got called out".

There's a difference between oppressing people and preventing them from speaking and asking them to not be fucking bullies and speak over other people and yell at people for making a simple request like "Can you give audio transcripts for your audio clips? I'm deaf"

Standing for a cause doesn't justify everything you could possibly do ever. SJWs say for example they stand for LGBT but then go , "well if you're bi you have straight passing privilege so you don't count" "Oh you're gay and white? Still a white male, cry moar." "Dear Cis people stop calling yourselves LGBT, you're cis get over it" (I actually saw this on a tumblr...seriously, what do you think LGBT means).

I don't hate their causes. Hell I believe in their causes. I believe in rights for gay and trans people, I believe in feminism, I am against racism. I just don't support their behavior.


Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-05-16 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
I think 90% of the horrible things SJWs are accused of is people misunderstanding context.

things like discussions of intersectionality where someone mentions that yes, all women are oppressed, but white women are differently oppressed than women of colour. 90% of the time, the knee jerk reaction is 'OH SO IT SUCKS LESS TO BE A WHITE WOMAN HUH SO I'M NOT ALLOWED TO BE MAD BECAUSE I'M WHITE IS THAT IT HUH HUH' when a) no and b) no and c) no

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-05-16 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
+1 for you. Some people really can't handle being told it's not all about them.

lol

(Anonymous) 2013-05-16 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
typical deliberate misreading and self righteous attitude. How else do you get "person being mad at being told it's not all about about you" out of "Hey guys stop fucking making the causes look bad by being total assholes about it" .

Maybe if you actually thought about it, you would see that your SJW behavior alienates possible supporters and just makes outsiders think the entire cause is crazy rather than actually listen and maybe even see that they're right.

But hell some people just can't handle being told that they're doing something harmful and they have spit shit at the person who's telling them.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-05-16 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
it depends,

some discussions of intersectionality really do suck, and that happens

other's turn into "well, white women never had any problems, and they still don't and you're only really a Good Female Person if you're non-white.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-05-16 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
citation needed please

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-05-16 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
I see it mostly on tumblr, on the reddpigeon/crackerhell blogs, and their ilk. I can look for more concrete examples, and try and post some of the best ones tomorrow?

but those two are some of the worse. Them and genderbitch. it doesn't matter what you're dealing with, you're white, so obviously you deserve it.

some other reading about the (attempted) erasure of anything bad happening to non-POC people

http://snowwhiteseviltwin.tumblr.com/post/47162613830/stuff-on-a-blog-thisiswhiteprivilege-okay-fine-well

another good tumblr person who collects posts like this is http://special-snowflake-hall-of-fame.tumblr.com/ and http://abhortion.tumblr.com/

i don't always agree with them, but eh, what can you do.

(also, i'm going to ask for citations in return for the premise in the comment I first replied to.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-05-16 07:08 am (UTC)(link)
NAYRT. I have the feeling that people who ask for citations or receipts usually don't expect you to be able to provide them - and when you do, they probably won't respond as it undercuts their argument in the first place.

JMO, but there's a difference between someone asking for examples and background, and a terse "citations please". I think the latter doesn't want them, and I wouldn't hold my breath about getting a reciprocal citation back from your other anon.

I also think 93% of statistics are pulled out of thin air, so I don't believe the 90% of SJW wank is actually just misunderstood context. Receipts please! :-P

You were right OP

(Anonymous) 2013-05-16 06:53 am (UTC)(link)
they just can't resist the "you must be mad for getting called out" argument, even when you state that you support the causes.

Some people just don't like sense

SA

(Anonymous) 2013-05-16 07:10 am (UTC)(link)
sorry I knew that was ugly let me restate.


The OP isn't talking about the people who legitimately call out bigots they're talking about the people who talk over people and then when the person disagrees they get a "fuck you then you don't count, traitor"

The type of people who are ignorant but think they know everything. The ones who are actually doing harm in the movements by screaming at everyone who does ask questions. IIRC two of the instances OP gave were from Redd or Riley.