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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-05-15 06:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #2325 ]


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Re: It's not the issues that are the problem

(Anonymous) 2013-05-18 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
I don't understand why people wouldn't want to tell people about issues they presumably find important and interesting. Okay, no, it's not your job to tell your life story or explain details of things which you find painful, but if you want people to know what you mean, it is your duty to give them some information and/or direct them to a place where they can find reliable and truthful information on the topic. It's certainly not their job to magically understand things they may never have encountered before.

(I've also had some weird gender issues which were seriously aggravated by the Social Justice Shitbags. I loathed what they were saying on the topic of feminism to the point that I started to wonder if I could really be a girl because they seemed so certain any "Reeel Womyn" would understand perfectly. The issues weren't caused by that, but it certainly didn't help.)
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Re: It's not the issues that are the problem

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2013-05-18 11:24 am (UTC)(link)
I never understood the "it's not our job to educate you" perspective. Did these people miss how civil rights movements happened worldwide? For fuck's sake, half of what Gandhi did was educating people via spreading the word (slash doing things that encouraged other people to spread the word) about what was really going on in India. Gay rights have been making massive strides forward because of all the education in various forms - not just things like spreading around statistics and facts about gays and marriage, but also the increasing media presence showing people most of the so-called deviance is either a cultural perception or just plain harmless. Human beings are not mind readers and will not magically take your side because you want them to, they need to have a damn good reason to. Maybe we shouldn't have to educate people, but if we don't do it then no one will and other people still need to learn this shit to start making the world a better place.

I think a lot of SJWs fail to understand that just because women will often face similar or same problems across the country or entire cultures/regions, doesn't actually mean their experiences are the same. i.e. You can take two women from the same city or even the same neighborhood, and one will have grown up hearing the word "bitch" predominantly as an insult while the other will have heard it bandied around as an insult, a compliment, or as a fairly neutral term. This will give them both very different perspectives of Bitch magazine and HBIC - and this is just a very tiny example!

Re: It's not the issues that are the problem

(Anonymous) 2013-05-18 01:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Since I left the girls-only high school at which I was sexually harassed by both female classmates and boys on the shared bus on separate occasions (and neither experience made me hate an entire gender, so I don't understand why anyone thinks they have license to hate individuals who haven't done anything, and anyone who suggests either encounter was somehow less valid is a moron) I haven't had a single personal encounter affected by my gender at all. Mass media and clothing shopping still sucks, yeah, but face-to-face encounters haven't been affected in any way I can tell. I'm aware I'm fantastically lucky in this, but I get really pissed off by people who tell me this means I'm somehow doing womanhood wrong.

Re: It's not the issues that are the problem

[personal profile] glo_unit 2013-05-18 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
What do you consider educating others, and if someone really does not wish to educate others, then they shouldn't have to.

I ask because I am willing to discuss things like the importance of same-sex marriage and LGBT rights in general, however questions like "who is the guy and who is the girl in your relationship" to a same-sex couple in inane. I'm one for education on the importance of equal rights however that doesn't mean I answer every inane question about my sexuality and LGBT people in general.

Re: It's not the issues that are the problem

(Anonymous) 2013-05-18 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Education would be explaining "there is no 'guy' and 'girl', they're both guys or both girls". Or at the very least linking someone to a website or meta post or whatever that explains it better.

And if someone doesn't want to educate other people, fine - but they do not get to complain about other people's stupidity, either. Human beings are not mind readers and do not magically know what's bothering us or how to fix it, we need to tell them what's wrong if we want any hope of them trying to be better.
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Re: It's not the issues that are the problem

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2013-05-18 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Education would be explaining "there is no 'guy' and 'girl', they're both guys or both girls". Or at the very least linking someone to a website or meta post or whatever that explains it better.

And if someone doesn't want to educate other people, fine - but they do not get to complain about other people's stupidity, either. Human beings are not mind readers and do not magically know what's bothering us or how to fix it, we need to tell them what's wrong if we want any hope of them trying to be better.