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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-05-17 06:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #2327 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2327 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Sofia the First]


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[Once Upon a Time]


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[Tara Strong, John de Lancie]


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[Iron Man 3]


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[Cristiano Ronaldo]


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[BriTANick]


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[Teen Wolf]


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[Community]


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[Batman movies (Nolan)]


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[Nine Inch Nails]


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[Harry Potter]


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[Romeo and Juliet, 1968]


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15. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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16. [SPOILERS for Star Trek: Into Darkness]



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18. [WARNING for suicide]

[Supernatural]


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19. [WARNING for non-con]



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20. [WARNING for dubcon]



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(Anonymous) 2013-05-17 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Which isn't great but it's still... I mean, it's one character. And Ricardo Montalban wasn't white but he wasn't Indian either.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-17 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
So one is a-ok?

(Anonymous) 2013-05-17 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Nothing worse about a white guy playing a mexican dude than a mexican one doing the same, iyam.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-17 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
*indian dude

(Anonymous) 2013-05-17 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Ricardo Montalban wasn't Indian, but he was RICARDO MONTALBAN. Therefore, he wins. (I just loved him, that's all.)

(Anonymous) 2013-05-17 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
At least they hired someone of color in the original...

the thing that's pissing people off more with this character getting whitewashed is that Khan wasn't just any ordinary character, he was a superhuman type, massively intelligent, in perfect physical condition, charismatic as hell and even somewhat sympathetic. he was a well-developed villain with a full history and he was three dimensional. it's very rare to find a villain like that who is not white.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-18 09:10 am (UTC)(link)
+1

And especially in the 60's where they weren't perfect AT ALL when it came to this shit, it was still incredibly daring and radical for them to have the character to be Not White, the actual casting issues notwithstanding.

I mean hoe can you watch the movie where they reveal his name as "Khan Noonien Singh" and not be like "seriously, bitch?"

(Anonymous) 2013-05-18 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)
The original actor of Khan was white. His family came from Spain, they just moved to Mexico. IE-No Native Blood. They're white.

So, lol, Khan was always whitewashed :O

(Anonymous) 2013-05-19 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Soooo...because they didn't cast an Indian actor as an Indian character FIFTY YEARS AGO we should just do the same thing now...? Sorry, that's a poor excuse.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-18 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
Ricardo Montalban was born in Mexico, but was the son of Spanish immigrants. As far as I know, he has no indigenous or non-Caucasian ancestry. In what way is he not white?

(Anonymous) 2013-05-18 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
I have no strong feelings on this one way or the other, but see posts below by luxshine for someone who does!

(fwiw, on full consideration I would probably tend to agree with you, but I think it's safe to say it's a matter of debate)
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[personal profile] tree_and_leaf 2013-05-18 11:17 am (UTC)(link)
He's white, at least from a European perspective. But there seems to be a tendency for Americans to assume that Spanish = Latino, even though that makes no sense historically. I guess that illustrates the fact that race boundaries are fuzzy and as much to do with ideology/ prejudice as anything objective. (See also Martin Sheen adopting a white-sounding name to avoid anti-Latino prejudice, even though he's half-Irish, half-Spanish, and is white - and couldn't pass as anything else. Ironically, with his hair dark Cumberbatch looks pretty Galician.

But I agree that it's ridiculous white-washing to cast either of them as Khan. Though in any case Khan Singh doesn't make a huge amount of sense as a name, given that Khan is typically a Muslim name, and Singh is Sikh. I suppose mostly what that means is that the filmmakers are just continuing to add to a train of fail....

ETA: having read further down the thread, it would seem the question of Montalban's race is more complicated than that. But without trying to defend the makers of XII, I still think there was nothing progressive about casting a Latino as an Indian in the Original Series.
Edited 2013-05-18 11:26 (UTC)