[ SECRET POST #2329 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2329 ⌋

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Re: 2c

[(Anonymous)]

I commented a few comments up about feeling this way about a movement to classify "gay" as a pejorative term.

See, the thing is that ANY word can be an insult. I have heard gentleman used as an insult for a man who was extremely polite in casual situations. Lady. Studious. Smart. Girl. Boy. Beautiful. I've heard all of them used to hurt. The very clinical word of "homosexual", when said by a white evangelist preacher, is about as insulting as they come, for that matter.

It depends on the intention of the speaker. Certainly some words were invented by outsiders purely to be derogatory (nigger, faggot, chink, etc). Others have taken on primarily negative meaning (cunt, retarded). But I don't think tranny and gay are among them.

Re: 2c

[(Anonymous)]

Who is trying to get "gay" classified as a pejorative term? Because I'm pretty sure half the issue is that it's being used as a pejorative term for a group of people involved in a worldwide battle for civil rights while also being pretty much the only versatile, casual non-pejorative for the same people. It's not inherently pejorative, it's just being used that way while we still need it.

Re: 2c

[(Anonymous)]

Tumblr, of course. Re: the group of people who have classified it as a negative adjective ("it's so gay that it rained on my birthday"). Apparently as soon as a word takes on a negative connotation it is automatically negative.

As I stated. I think it is more outsider words that are negatives. Any word that a group chose for themselves seems like it can't be negative, no matter HOW many people outside of that group choose to use it. I don't actually know the history of the word tranny, so I can't say if it is such a word, but I do know that most people who are transphobic tend to not know it's even a separate thing from being gay, and almost every transexual I've known (granted, that is three out of four) has used it to describe themselves and held no animosity towards non-trans* folks who did the same.

Re: 2c

[(Anonymous)]

You know, I have to say that from my experience having grown up in Midwestern America through the eighties and nineties, it sure as heck wasn't Tumblr that classified gay as a pejorative. It's all the people who insist on using it as a pejorative. Tumblr's been around since 2007. I know that I personally heard people using gay to call someone or something bad or distasteful or awful or whatever other negative connotation you want to assign back at least as far as the eighties, so it sure as heck didn't come from Tumblr.

People who are [whatever questionable term] that want to call themselves [said questionable term] aren't using it as a pejorative. People who aren't [questionable term] using it simply as an identifier for someone who is [questionable term] aren't using it as a perjorative - unless of course said person finds the word offensive and doesn't want it used to refer to them. However, people using it to describe something as inherently bad are using it as a pejorative and deserve to be at least side-eyed if not called out on it, imo.

It gets more problematic when you have words that have a far longer history of being used as a pejorative (nigger and gypsy/gipsy for example, since those really shouldn't be used by non-members of those groups unless with people from said group that are okay with it due to the long standing negative history of those words), but that's always been the rule of thumb I've gone by. Calling someone out for the use of a word when it's pretty obviously not being used as a pejorative just makes you a white knight asshole. Context is key.