[ SECRET POST #2337 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2337 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 062 secrets from Secret Submission Post #334.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

So, you're OK with male characters being objectified and brutalized, as long -- as they're not allowed to fight back against the fictional characters who brutalized them. Because that would be ~wrong~, because violence against women, even in-story evil powerful women in positions of authority who did horrible things, is somehow just not on. Even though you believe the objectification and brutalization of the male characters is okay because that's just fiction.

You do realize that's 100000X more icky than the secret, don't you? The secret is just fine to me, I totally understand and even pretty much agree, but this comment is utterly repulsive.

[(Anonymous)]

So, you think what they did to nurse ratchet was ok, and not in the least bit squicky, then?

[(Anonymous)]

NA

I think that what they did to Nurse Ratchet was squicky and not okay, but that was also in a nominally realistic setting, so it's not really comparable.

I would also be squicked by the hypothetical movie endings you describe, but it is a little strange to dismiss revenge against female abusers as flat-out wrong rather than not your kink when you have just said you are okay with males sexualized to death and braindeath.

[(Anonymous)]

It's like they say "Nothing exists in a vacuum." Yet another film dedicated to the 'righteous' crimes and abuses males inflict on 'evil' women by men would not be ok, because the woman ALWAYS deserves her punishment, and the males so frequently get away with what they do.

[(Anonymous)]

Nurse Ratchet? No. But I don't see what's wrong with being furious at and killing people who did the kinds of horrible things to you, even if you are a male and the person who did it to you is female.

Nurse Ratchet was squicky because of the details - the sexualizing, the general discussion of her among the patients as a "ball-breaker". There was a distinct misogynistic undertone of ~reasserting your manhood~ in that choking scene that was all kinds of gross. Also, nothing she did was quite awful enough to deserve choking.

The characters in authority in the secret, on the other hand? Um, yes, choking THEM would not be squicky at all, even if they were female and their subjects were male. They are not identical to the situation with Nurse Ratchet. Why are you equating them? Not all female characters are identical, you know.

[(Anonymous)]

There was a distinct misogynistic undertone

Like the undertones and overtones that exist in nearly EVERYTHING hollywood creates? That's my problem. the world does not need another male power fantasy where the male is excused and glorified for committing violence against women.

What the world needs is a female power fantasy where the males FINALLY have to suffer and be weak for our enjoyment.

[(Anonymous)]

It's called porn. Femdom. You're welcome.

[(Anonymous)]

There is not sufficient of that type of porn to offset the amount of porn where the opposite happens.

Also, the porn industry can and does treat female actors atrociously.

[insanenoodlyguy]

So you would be okay with it if it was in equal amounts?

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and doubt that.

[(Anonymous)]

You know that does not count. I am talking about tne mainstream media, and their problems with women.

Also ,I don't watch porn. For reasons that should be quite clear. Unless you're one of those morons who think it's so ~empowering.

I'm done with you.

[insanenoodlyguy]

No it doesn't. If it did, those would make more money, and would exist outside of porn because of the demand.

[(Anonymous)]

did we read the same fucking book?

doesn't seem like it.

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing exists in a vacuum. You can't pretend that such a hypothetical canon would be demonizing women in a problematic way. When you live in a world where people can literally, unquestionably, beat the shit out of their girlfriends and have tons of people defend them in popular media despite their being absolutely no justifiable reason for his actions... well it kinda puts a damper on watching women get beat up by men - even in fictional situations where the women are the bad guys.

Such a hypothetical film could and should be rewritten to include several evil men as well as evil women and some good men as well as good women. (They old man in Sucker Punch could be an old woman and some of the orderlies could be men).

OP

[(Anonymous)]

OP of secret here, and I personally don't think helpless boys fighting back against powerful women is remotely a problem. If the revenge was sexualised from the point of view of the male characters (in any way other than the purely symbolic; e.g. stabbing through the chest might be vaguely Freudian, but in a practical sense it works and presumably the stabber's not getting off on it) then it would be a big problem. Also not particularly comfortable with female victims sexualising their revenge unless the girls in question are supposed to be horrible people as bad as their abusers; it's less socially problematic, but that doesn't make it not creepy.