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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-05-27 07:13 pm

[ SECRET POST #2337 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2337 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2013-05-28 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
but that alone implies a certain thematic quality to 'girly' things. common representation will have you think that 'girly' things (backed up by countless 'chick flicks') consist of vapid romances that highlight the 'sappy' or 'cheesy' stuff and lack any action, powerful emotion, or meaningful message.

obv this isn't true, but the way certain types of media are highlighted as being for women - and those media typically being of this kind - make it embarrassing not only for men to read books that are presented this way, but also for women who do not want people to think they indulge in 'beach read' books. it may largely be an intellectual superiority complex, but it definitely exists and this seems to be the driving force behind it. so when people don't like 'girly' things, they're usually assuming that 'girly' means 'stupid'. not the same as 'disgusting or wrong', maybe, but not any better.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-28 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
I cannot even begin to take you seriously. Normally I would laugh at the overreaching with "thematic quality" and assume you're about 18-19 and just finishing your first semester of sociology, but the lack of capitalization makes me think you're probably a lot younger than that and just parroting a phrase you heard one of your high school teachers say.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-28 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
Um, I thought anon made some good points.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-28 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
yeah dude, I'm curious. Can you at least give us the cliffnotes version of whats wrong with this post?

your bit about the lack of capitalization was seriously weak, but here's your chance to recover!

(Anonymous) 2013-05-28 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
you need to get out more. it's a bigger problem than you think.

but please, continue to show us how enlightened and knowledgeable you are. we await it with bated breath.

(Anonymous) 2013-05-28 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

i don't know, i think 'girly' does point to an identifiable aesthetic - an unfortunately named and problematic one, because it attributes aesthetic qualities to ineffable gender - but i think when you talk about 'girly', you can identify what that looks like, and when something is marketed with that quality, to some extent, it's a statement about what the work itself is like. now, again, that's complicated in all kinds of ways, but broadly, i think it's safe to say that people basically understand something to be true of works that are marketed in this way. and because of that, some people may just not be interested in the characteristics that are implied by that marketing, not because they're biased, or because 'girliness' is intrinsically disgusting, but because that's just not what interests them thematically. i think there is a problem when publishers market their books too narrowly, when they market books with a broad thematic scope in a way that is stereotypically 'girly' and towards the demographic that likes that sort of thing, but i think that's an essentially commercial decision on their part.

i think there probably is an element of gender in there for some people; i just don't think it's the only element. also i should say that i don't think that the qualities you ascribe to 'girliness' are the ones that i would link it to; i think those qualities you describe are actually qualities of pulp fiction, and the feeling of being ashamed to read books like that is pretty common to pulp fiction in general IMO.

also for reference i am not the person who said you were in high school, that was someone else, being dumb and cruel and trollish