[ SECRET POST #2337 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2337 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

No.

Um wow no.

Attractive helpless boys being sexualized to death IS excellent turnabout, yes, but within a fictional story, if character A inflicts awful acts upon character B without justification, the narrative is entitled to give character A comeuppance for their crimes, and character B is allowed to be the instigator of that comeuppance, as he was the one who was wronged.

Now, I'm not saying that there aren't some forms of comeuppance that could send offensive skeevy sexist messages - those exist, and those should definitely be avoided. But a blanket "not on"? Fuck no.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh come on. Male characters escape their comeuppance for what they do to women ALL. THE. TIME.

I just think it would be skeevy to create yet ANOTHER film excusing if not our right celebrating violence against women.

"Oh, but she was mean to the poor pretty men, she deserves it

[(Anonymous)]

But in the context of a film like that, she does deserve it. She is an evil character who did horrible things to men who didn't do anything wrong. She. Does. Deserve. It. From an in-universe perspective, anyone who does that to another person deserves it. It's not the only valid comeuppance they could get, but it is a valid comeuppance. No matter if it's male-on-male, male-on-female, female-on-female, or female-on-male.

Now, your point about not creating more movies with scenes depicting violence against women -- that I totally agree with. Creating plots where a different punishment can be carried out is definitely a good thing, even if the violent comeuppance would be justified in-universe. But you can't do it by simply breaking in-universe rules of evil characters being deserving of punishment. Because evil characters do deserve punishment. If a villain gets away without punishment, it needs to be implied that it's unfair that the villain went unpunished, and there has to be a narrative reason they escaped their punishment, or else the story's foundations and authority is totally undermined.

You cannot depict a character doing something horrible to another character and then claim that it's okay for her to do it. If you don't want to write a movie celebrating violence against women, make sure that the movie's plot is constructed in such a way to punish the villains satisfactorily in a different fashion. Or don't write the movie at all. As the above anon said, write it with male villains or something.

Also, ~wah wah but MEEEEEEN do it all the time!!~ is not an excuse. At all. Do you like it when male characters do awful things to female characters and get away with it? No? Then how on earth is it magically okay when the genders are flipped? It's just going down to their level.

[(Anonymous)]

No one's arguing about if the characters deserve it in universe or not.

We're arguing about whether or not such media would make us uncomfortable due to out of universe factors.

[(Anonymous)]

Men, in fiction, get away with their terrible treatment of women WAY more often than women do. Also, no piece of fiction exists in a vacuum.

Having another film where men get to punish women (no matter how justified in story) is off putting when I live in a world where a man who beats his girlfriend badly enough to send her to the hospital is defended on popular media sites.

[(Anonymous)]

oh, fassbender
I loath him

[(Anonymous)]

da
there are a LOT of famous men this could apply to (sadly) but Fassbender was actually not even in the country when those alleged attacks occurred.