[ SECRET POST #2341 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2341 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[David Mitchell]


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02.
[Carry On]


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03.
[Jay and Silent Bob]


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04.
[Simcity Societies]


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[Game of Thrones]


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[Game of Thrones]


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08.
[Noel Fielding]


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09.
[Once Upon a Time]


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[Doraemon]


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[Uninhabited Planet SURVIVE]


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12. [SPOILERS for Star Trek: Into Darkness]



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13. [SPOILERS for Arrow]



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14. [SPOILERS for Naruto]



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15. [WARNING for pedohpilia]

[Neon Genesis Evangelion]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

No, I really don't think you get it. Taken as an isolated incident it wouldn't mean much but the point a lot of people here have been making is that this character has been changed quite drastically from the book, and all of those changes lean heavily on existing gay stereotypes, this being just another example.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you, that is exactly what I was trying to get across.

There's a lot of divergent characterization, some of it nags at me, some of it I actually end up liking better than what GRRM does in the books with some characters. But this is exactly what bothers me about what's being done with Loras.

It's not how many people he's slept with, nor the fact that he has a sex drive, but the way the writers end up making it feel like they might have watched a few too many episodes of QAF (and now I'm just being facetious because I can be).

[avatarmn]

Or maybe they've watched their OWN show, and STILL made a less fucked up sex scene than they usually have.

[avatarmn]

You're missing MY point, though. If you think that sleeping with someone else after your lover has been dead for a season plus one episodes makes you think "promiscuous gay", you're the one leaning heavily on stereotypes. Especially considering the behavior of all of the other characters, you still want to say the show is making a statement about gay people, when in fact I think it portrays him better than most guys. With the sex being mutually fun, instead of all the prostitution and rape that permeates the series. It develops naturally from a connection formed with a guy Loras spends time with. At least as far as he knows. He isn't aware Olyver is a spy.

[(Anonymous)]

what they're saying though is that the feeling of stereotyping comes through in the written intent, motivation, and direction

sleeping with one guy doesn't make loras a promiscuous gay, and i don't think loras himself is a promiscuous guy at all, but it feels like the writers are basing his character off of a pretty particular brand of stereotypes and some of us feel that the scene carries a certain stereotypical vibe to it that feels out of place/inappropriate/ooc

not that you're necessarily wrong about loras not being portrayed as promiscuous, but that his character increasingly feels like he could be lumped in as a modern stereotypical gay dude and as such, the scene itself felt inconsistent with what was going on with his character within the context of the show

[avatarmn]

People need to be careful about how badly they judge gay people in the name of frowning on stereotypes. I know Loras isn't a real person, but I don't think I need to tell anyone how important representation in fiction is to real people. And it doesn't help us when a regular imperfect gay person sees a fictional character being treated this way even by people who like gays. For every gay character to be perfect is no more helpful to us than for every gay character to be awful. No one can live up to it. And I think these well-intentioned critics really need to own up to the judgements and stereotyping that THEY are making when they see Loras as having done anything wrong in this scene, and see it as being worse than other sex scenes JUST BECAUSE HE IS GAY rather than what the content actually is compared to the scenes featuring straight people.