[ SECRET POST #2343 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2343 ⌋

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Comments

(frozen comment) sa

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the same person, you can continue addressing me at least for this thread. I speak as a PoC myself, an Asian who did grow up dealing with bullying associated with my ethnic name. Our experiences obviously influence our views, but I don't think the fact that the mockery doesn't affect some people (like you) means that it should be condoned, when it has in fact hurt others (like me). There is harm, it is racial in nature, and I wish to speak out against it.

(frozen comment) Re: sa

[chardmonster]

And that's fine!

I guess my issue is the idea that people of color* get treated as inherently weak in conversations like this. The idea that the powers that be must swoop in and save all nonwhites from teasing--because obviously they can't do it themselves--offends me. How the hell is that empowering? How the hell does that teach a kid to deal with adversity? If my teachers' reaction to 9/11 was to sit everyone down and tell them to be specifically nicer to tan kids, I don't think that would have helped. My English teacher called out and scolded a kid in my class talking about "Ay-rabs," which did much more good.

Are you the person who wrote the long post about anti-Asian racism down the thread? That was great, but it encompasses acts far beyond just making fun of the name. If kids are making fun of your name and also making slant eyes and asking if you eat dogs the racism of the act is inherent. My problem is that we're swooping to the defense of M Night Shymalan over mockery of his name alone, absent of context.


*I'm usually uncomfortable using that term personally because thanks to my name people often just assume I'm Greek or Italian, but my Dad's side of the family is certainly POC.

(frozen comment) Re: sa

[(Anonymous)]

(I'm not that person, but my experience is very similar.)

The point we're disagreeing on is precisely that. I believe that ethnic name-mockery, even in the case of Shyamalan, is inherent of the racist bullying tradition, not an isolated incident that can be considered absent context. And by calling it out, we're doing exactly what your English teacher did, which is punishing a racist remark.

Really, anyone can make the argument, "No, it's just this one thing that I do! I can't be racist, I don't do all those other things." But these things don't happen in a vacuum and racism only works one way: down.

(frozen comment) Re: sa

[chardmonster]

And I'm saying that you can't really judge if the ethnic name-mockery is racist, as same-ethnicity name-mockery is very much a continuing thing. I can't judge the comment outside its context--keeping in mind the OP here may have been saying racist stuff. I'm afraid we'll have to respectfully disagree.

I'd argue that racism doesn't only work downward; the scariest racist thing I saw in school post-9/11 was done entirely by a black kid. I sure as hell wouldn't argue that an inner-city black kid marching around in the halls with an American flag over his shoulder saying "fuck the ayrabs" is above a greek-passing middle class girl on the Great Ladder of Racism, but I'd also argue that what he was doing was pretty damn racist.