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At a really obscure fandom a girl was talking about how she felt every person should be registered as an organ donor rather than letting us choose to be one or not. On a level, I can understand what she means. A person dies and their organs can save another person's life, why not? It sounds like a pretty good system, but I know that some people are weirded out by this idea that though they are dead a part of them will continue to live on in another's body. I also have this paranoid idea that if we start allowing our governments to tell us that we must register as organ donors they'll start seeing if they can get away with other things, like telling us we need to register for the right to procreate or that we are all required to allow the government to go through our cell phones and computers.
Also, back to the organ donor thing, some people believe that if not every single part of your physical body is with you when you are buried or cremated your soul will be lost forever, unable to pass onto the spirit world.

Those people are wrong, and believing extra specially hard doesn't change the fact that if we listen to their beliefs people who could have been saved will die.

...And this is why no one can take you seriously.

Look, even if you don't believe in something, you don't have to be asshole and pretend ~omg they're killing people~? I mean, I'm an organ donor, but I will respect someone else's believes to not be one, because religion isn't just something people tend to believe in for fun.

I'm not disagreeing that they genuinely believe, I'm just saying they're clearly wrong.

And that the organs they could have given, could have saved lives.

But now they won't, because they're rotting in a ditch (or ash to be fair).

I realize to most of you I lend him no credibility whatsoever, but I'm largely with him on that one. Letting perfectly good life-saving organs rot strikes me as fairly selfish.

It's not like you are using it anymore. The worms already got plenty of food and the fire will burn faster with a few less wet bits in you.

It's your body and your choice, but don't expect me to respect it beyond ceding the point you should be able to make this selfish decision.

Edited 2013-06-08 00:51 (UTC)

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Oh, I agree that organ donation should be encouraged and more work should be done about dispelling the myths surrounding it, but requiring it, at least in the US, violates people's freedom of religious choice. Like the thread OP said, people often don't opt into organ donation because of religious beliefs having to do with their dead bodies.

It's not a bad idea, it's just...not gonna happen, and there's no way to convince the majority of people that it should. At best, we can only encourage that it be done. And I say this being an organ donor myself and agreeing that people are a little selfish to take their organs to the grave with them. But I also acknowledge that, well, people are fucking selfish, and requiring that they not be actually violates some human rights.

My choice not to register as a donor does not stem from any worries about the afterlife or desire to be buried with them after I'm dead. I'm just not convinced that there's a clear enough understanding of what constitutes death and how to determine whether there's really any consciousness left in an apparently brain-dead person or not.

Also, the demand for organs exerts considerable pressure on hospitals and health care professionals to provide them. At one time I'd have said no doctor would be corrupt or hard-hearted enough to deliberately pull the plug on someone prematurely to harvest their organs, but these days, having learned of some of the other sick crap that's being perpetrated daily by people who should know better? I'm not so confident.

Though it's not that common, people have been known to revive after being given up on, to report that they overheard doctors discussing preparations for the removal of their organs. Which leaves us to ask how many never did visibly revive and were put through the procedure with some degree of consciousness remaining. Call me selfish if you must, but I do not wish to fall into either group.

hoo boy. We already had this argument back then, I'm not going to start it up again.

Suffice to say I remain of the opinion you are a paranoid dingbat.

At least the religious people have an understandable train of logic. There's a logic that remains consistent for them (even if it has some gaps as mentioned above).

You seem to believe in a world where you're getting harvested while still alive because of some currently unknown consciousness that remains after fucking brain death and heart cessation.

You can respond if you like, I'm not going to.

Religion is a choice. If I choose to believe in something that is selfish, it doesn't make it any less selfish. We're programmed to believe religious beliefs must take precedence over everything, but in fact, they do not. A stupid idea is a stupid idea, no matter how you dress it up.

(And for the record, I still believe people should have the freedom to choose organ donation or not, I just think that religious belief is a dumb reason to think that all your organs have to rot with you or Mr. Invisible Sky Man will be angry.)

Wrong or not, it's their beliefs [or their families'] and that does need to be respected.

Only they're partially right? Right now Obama has allowed the government to not only be able to read citizens emails, but also collect millions of Verizon user's call information..

if not every single part of your physical body is with you when you are buried or cremated your soul will be lost forever

I've never understood this line of thinking. I mean, we all shed skin cells and hair constantly and, presumably, cut our nails. What about those? They are a part of our bodies. And if you have your tooth, appendix or tonsils removed, should you keep them safe and have them attached to your body when you are buried?

Exactly. All those dead skin cells every single person is shedding even this very minute... are they sacred, too? Or wait, is that whole "every molecule of the amazing being that is me is sacred" concept silly?

I think it's more that people's concept of what constitutes a "whole" part of the body probably does not dumb down to the things that people view as shedding "naturally".

Although if either of you are really curious, I'm sure someone in any given spiritual or religious practice has an answer waiting for you on google.

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