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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-06-10 06:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #2351 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2350 ⌋

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-10 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Black Widow / Hulk is fucking gross. Fuck you, you should feel bad.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-10 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Your comment is gross and you should feel gross, fuckface.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-10 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Everyone stand back from the pro-rape troll. Stand Back.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-10 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know what happens in the comics, but in the *MOVIES* WHICH THIS SECRETE IS ABOUT there is no rape over/undertones in this ship at all

(Anonymous) 2013-06-10 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Really? Maybe re-watch the movie.
Figurehead of male violence and aggression (and by extension male sexuality) chasing the only woman on the team, chase ends with the supposedly "strong" women curled up in the foetal position weeping.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-11 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think being scared of the Hulk is a sign of only being supposedly strong, but keep on trolling.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-10 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
...says the actual troll. What the actual fuck are you even on about?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-10 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
For one thing on like with the other Avengers Hulk and Bruce are really different in shipping terms.

For a second thing - GO FUCK YOURSELF!!! There's absolutely nothing wrong with Natasha/Bruce. Yeah, she was scared of him, but character development is a thing that happens.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-10 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
C/P for ease.

Figurehead of male violence and aggression (and by extension male sexuality) chasing the only woman on the team, chase ends with the supposedly "strong" women curled up in the foetal position weeping.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-11 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
...why do you equate violence and aggression with sexuality?

And why can't Natasha be a little shaken up from being chased down a hallway by a unstoppable screaming rage monster and slammed into a wall? And after watching a horrified Bruce Banner tranform into said monster? I figured that with her past, Natasha would have been especially affected by the latter.

Also, you know. Physical shock. From being suddenly and violently thrown into a steel bulkhead.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-10 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
whoa, what? the fuck are you smoking and where can i get some?

care to explain?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-10 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't understand your strong disgust on this topic. I've seen Avengers and don't recall anything that would make someone think the pairing is "fucking gross" or anything.

trigger warning for this entire thread i guess; sexual abuse

(Anonymous) 2013-06-10 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
my only guess is that op took the scene where hulk chases natasha to somehow have rape undertones/overtones/tones?

which is very gross, actually, conflating mindless violence with sexual abuse even if there was nothing to indicate that in the original context

Re: care to explain?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-11 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
C/P for ease

Figurehead of male violence and aggression (and by extension male sexuality) chasing the only woman on the team, chase ends with the supposedly "strong" women curled up in the foetal position weeping.

Re: care to explain?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-11 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
There was curled up weeping? I don't recall that.

Why by extension male sexuality? I think male violence and aggression are a completely separate issue and the Hulk is not a sexual character.

Annnd I'm kind of annoyed by your "supposedly" and the fact that you seem to think that what makes a strong character is never showing emotion or crying. Crying and emotions are not weakness.

So yeah, still not seeing anything gross here.

Re: care to explain?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-11 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
There was. It was disgusting.

Violence, aggression, the need to dominate and destroy and fuck are all inextricably linked within the male psyche. Sex and violence, lust and domination all part of the one big horrible package that is the human male, the hulk is all of that Unpacked

Hulk IS a sexual character. The all are. Hulk is just more open about the rage side.

Well, did you see any of the other (Read Male) heroes crying? Did we see any other hero getting distraught? No, They were all strong, but it was the woman who had to come face to face with male rage, and the woman who needed to be rescued, and the woman who broke down. If Crying is not indicative of weakness in this movie, why did no-one else cry?

Re: care to explain?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-11 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Your reasoning is bothering me because there were a lot of legit things to complain about with regards to sexism in this movie, but I disagree with all of yours.

Re: care to explain?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-11 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Sex and violence, lust and domination all part of the one big horrible package that is the human male, the hulk is all of that Unpacked

6/10, thought you were serious for a while there.

Re: care to explain?

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(Anonymous) 2013-06-11 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
is that the best you can do? instead of engaging in discussion, you're just going to continue to copy and paste the same moronic statement over and over?

really?

a sure sign to IGNORE YOUR STUPID FUCKING SELF.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-10 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
And fuck you for ship shaming.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-11 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
"Ship Shaming?"

Jesus Fucking Christ, you SJW and you're adorable little labels. It's pathetic. Some things need to be shamed, creating a buzzword for something does not give you an instant righteous cause to fight for.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-11 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
So much butthurt here

(Anonymous) 2013-06-11 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
Feel free to shoot me down if I'm wrong, everyone, but I get the sense that shipping Natasha with the Hulk and with Bruce are completely different things...? Like, the Hulk is a part of Bruce, I get that, but I tend to think of them as separate entities. I think Natasha/Bruce is sweet and interesting, but I don't see how you could ship somebody with just the Hulk. Maybe I'm missing the point, though.

(Anonymous) 2013-06-11 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
My thoughts exactly... yes, the Hulk is a horrible green ragemonster, but Bruce is an adorable and humble and sweet physicist? Problem...?
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