[ SECRET POST #2364 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2364 ⌋

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Comments

[intrigueing]

That is now how the world works. You think in SPN John Winchester would have treated female!Dean or female!Sam the same way?

Well this is kind of interesting, because I gotta completely 100% disagree with you on that. Because yes, I DO think John Winchester would - or at least could - treat his daughters that way. Would his behavior be way, way, way more unusual than treating his sons that way? Oh hell yes, but that's exactly WHY I like genderswap. It is so fucking refreshing and such powerful wish-fulfillment to see female characters acting in ways that are ~reserved for men because no woman would EVER act like this~ Even if the treatment is bad, anything that breaks those rules is fascinating and interesting to me and makes me want to see/read it.

I haven't seen much Supernatural, but I do know enough to know that I would KILL to see a show where John Winchester treated his daughters the way he treated his sons, because that so very, very, very rarely happens IRL OR in fiction. And I love, love, love it when fictional characters act towards each other in unusual and un-stereotypical/unconventional ways, specially wrt to gender. It would be unique, and different, and so so so so so so so fucking liberating to see female characters treated like male characters. Just for the sake of breaking that stupid stupid stupid STUPID idea that just because it would be very, very, very unusual for someone to treat their daughters that way, that means it would and should never happen.

Because women can what? Never be treated in an unusual manner? Not once? We can't say "damn, female!Dean and Sam's father's treatment of his daughters was very much not the norm"? Why the fuck not? The fact that genderswapping would give me the opportunity to read about a father treating his daughters in a way so completely unstereotypical of how female characters and women in general are normally treated is the precise reason I want to see it. If he treated them totally differently because they were girls...well, that could be really interesting too in the hands of a good author, but it's not what I personally crave.

Wow....uh....that was quite a rant. No hard feelings or anything, of course! Just that I really wanted to express how I feel about that idea you voiced. It's perfectly fine if it's not your thing, I understand that perfectly and I hope I didn't come across as confrontational, but it is exactly my thing and I think my reasons for it being my thing are just as valid.

[kaijinscendre]

I can't see John Winchester doing it because of the society he lived in. He was a Marine (who fought in Vietnam) and was presumably raised by a single mother. This would most likely have made him more protective over people (and especially women). If I am not mistaken he also tried to protect Mary from angels/demons in the "thrown in the past" episodes (even though Mary had more experience). I think IRL, John would have either 1) Not gone on his hunt for vengeance at all 2) Left girl!Dean and Sam with relatives (I am fairly certain he had a brother).

Of course, I am talking about the most likely scenario "in real life." They could have easily done a TV Show with Dean and Sam was women (hell even John could have been a woman).

[intrigueing]

Yeah, but like I said -- that would all make his behavior very unusual but not 100% impossible. And thinking up tweaks to canon to explain why he behaved so unusually towards his daughters given his background would be really, really cool too. After all, in fiction, people act very unusually all the time.

Female!John would also be really cool, especially if she was created by, say, replacing the things about John that could only happen to a man with things that could happen to a woman, but which would still cause Female!John to develop the same personality as Male!John...like, Vietnam would be out of the question, but something else (probably something fairly unusual for a woman in that time period to deal with) that would lead her to developing similar traits...that's the kind of thing that's really interesting to me. :)