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(posted anon 'cuz controversy)

There's an article going around with the headline "Who does punk belong to in 2013?" It's a good question. (this one: http://flavorwire.com/400387/who-does-punk-belong-to-in-2013)

It's been, what, 40 years since all you needed to start a band was three chords and yelling a lot. A lot has happened in those 40 years and a lot of the people who were there at the start are gone now, replaced by successive new generations. So who does punk belong to now?

The same people punk has always belonged to: bored white teenagers (and adults who never grew up) looking for an outlet for their frustration at their oh-so-difficult privileged lives, flocking around rote anti-authoritarian slogan bingo because it's harder to meaningfully make the world a better place than it is to be a rebel without a point. They've spent decades gladly being the unthinking receptacle for shovel loads of bullshit as long as it hits all the correct fundamentalist "capitalism/government/listener's home country is evil" notes without actually providing any insight into what that actually means.

Punk's relevance was in its rejection of norms, but it wasn't even a decade before dressing like a douchebag and screaming reheated buzzwords became the norm itself. Punk stopped meaning anything when bands could afford to stop duct-taping their instruments to keep them from falling apart.

At least my parents let me listen to hip-hop when I was growing up. I'd sooner listen to NWA rapping about life in the ghetto than some white guy with a shitty mohawk screaming himself hoarse about Margaret Thatcher.

... it's the thumb that really sells it.

Well...I'll agree with you that a lot of people who are punks/call themselves that don't really think about what's being said, and have gotten sort of conformist in their own way, you can say that for just about any major group.

Though that bit about 'If you're making money and can repair your instruments you've sold out!' is a load of crock.

I'm not sure if my reasoning is really the same as yours, but I could never stand punk rock. It's a perfect storm of loud, boring, oafish, preachy, and just plain unpleasant. And it ALL. SOUNDS. THE SAME.

Not OP

Personally, I don't mind the music [at least the early punk music], but it's the *people* I've got an issue with. Most of the modern 'punks' I've met are complete asshats. So...yeah, not really a fan but. -shrugs-

I mean... classism is a thing and there were plenty of punk people in the olden days who were homeless and/or living in poverty and that's kind of where the original "punk" look came from at least in the USA

You're also forgetting it was a safe space for like two seconds for gay people (uhhhh Darby Crash) before it got taken over by jock assholes like the ones you described

You also forget the number of women who actually fronted bands, were principal songwriters/vocalists during the early days of punk like Exene Cervenka, Penelope Houston (I love her so much I named a character after her btw), Deborah Harry, Poly Styrene, etc.

You might try reading about punk before running your mouth about it, seems like your point of reference is probably the 90s and the days of NOFX and all that garbage

PS you act like hip hop was never appropriated by white suburban jock males

Don't put words in my mouth.

You've completely misread what I'm saying (and I'm kind of insulted by your comment about the 90s/NOFX/etc.) Sure, all of what you described is true, but here's the thing: it's all been co-opted and supplanted by suburban white kids. Punk hasn't been about marginalized people since the Sex Pistols went on TV.

I can't get into NOFX ever since that "Don't Call Me White" song

Probably not your intention, but you got me exploring to early/New Wave punk tonight. =D Thanks

[And before the whole APPROPRIATION! scream thing you seem to be doing - while I am white, I've been homeless and worked 14 hour days. So, I doubt you can really claim I'm the "suburban white kid" type you're referring too.]

I suppose I should have clarified that I don't think there's anything wrong with listening to or enjoying punk in and of itself. It just bugs me that punk as a scene seems to be mostly made up of white kids who've never starved a day in their lives acting like they understand the struggle that early punk was borne out of.

ayrt

Ah, that I can understand. I have pretty much the same problem with the people who like to dress up slum it/pretend they're homeless. It's not the dress up and play pretend part - it's the part where they're claiming to know all about it when they've never had to legitimately wonder where they're going to sleep that night/what they're going to eat [along with all the other fun stuff that goes with it].

I don't really know how well that actually compares - I only have a vague idea of how the movement started but...yeah.

tl;dr: I hear you OP, I can totally understand not liking that.

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