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fandomsecrets2013-06-28 06:57 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2013-06-28 06:57 pm
[ SECRET POST #2369 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2369 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
01.
[Hannibal]
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02.
[Mother India, Sholay]
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03.
[Mad Men]
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04.
[Hannibal, Red Dragon]
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05.
[Regular Show]
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06.
[tomofromearth]
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07.
[Charles Dance and Emilia Fox in "Rebecca"]
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08.
[Mandy Patinkin]
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09.
[Mad Men]
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10.
[The Creeps]
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11.
[Star Trek]
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[ ----- SPOILERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]
12. [SPOILERS for the last of us]
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13. [SPOILERS for Bioshock Infinite]
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[ ----- TRIGGERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]
14. [WARNING for incest]
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15. [WARNING for rape]
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16. >[WARNING for rape]
http://i.imgur.com/eJbMOhY.png
[linked for actual movie scene maybe?]
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17. [WARNING for non-con]
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18. [WARNING for rape]
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19. [WARNING for incest, underage]
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20. [WARNING for suicide]
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #337.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: ALSO:
I don't find it compelling that any group can have 'ownership' of a word and claim full control over whether it's offensive or not (because come on, it's fairly self evident how ridiculous this track will get if we follow it to any sort of logical conclusion), or that hiding behind cutesy phrases such as the 'n word' does anything to meaningfully reduce the harm of the term.
As has been said, words aren't fucking magic, they have the power you imbue them, and from the context in which they're being used.
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Re: ALSO:
I may find it problematic, and be open to discussion about it, hell it might even bug me a little, but I appreciate that I don't get to shut down the conversation and claim sole ownership, no.
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well, yeah. that's part of my argument, too.
people 'reclaim' slurs to turn something with a negative history into a means of fostering group identity. this doesn't work for people who are outside of that social group because part of the word's negative context comes from who is saying it. the reason they have 'ownership' over this word is because it was originally attached to them to demean them. reclamation is like a 'fuck you.'
words DO have power you imbue them, but the argument against using slurs is that they are already imbued with power. there are some patent laws in the US that talk about this, but that might stray into the territory of Incredibly Boring, so.
as for "cutesy phrases" like the n word..... i can think of VERY few, if any, contexts where it would be absolutely necessary for a white person to say the actual word. it's something black people have heard right before being victims of hate crimes. obviously the people who have been targeted with it get to decide that it is offensive. that's just how it works. i really don't have any personal investment in using it, so why should i?
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No gay man ever got hurt just because someone said faggot.
They got hurt because of the ideas behind the word, and the actions those drove.
By making the terms taboo you only help this, and dancing around the specific words just empowers them as a tool. It makes them more dangerous, and it fools no-one because by virtue of what you're doing we know exactly what you're saying.
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....how? you never explained this. they were part of hate speech before they were made taboo. they were threats before they were taboo. that is why they are taboo. they're not 'more dangerous' because of it, they're just a greater indicator of when someone is racist/homophobic/sexist/transphobic etc because those are the type of people that don't respect the fact that there are some things you just shouldn't say.
They got hurt because of the ideas behind the word, and the actions those drove.
yes. EXACTLY. the ideas behind the word. there are ideas behind the word that can drive negative actions. if i'm walking around at night and someone yells a slur specific to my demographic i assume either me or someone around me is about to get the shit kicked out of them. i don't stop and wonder whether or not there was any specific malice behind it because how the fuck should i know? it's a hateful word. the ASSUMPTION that i will make is that there is malice behind it. if you don't want people in that particular social group around you to feel threatened, don't use the word. it's basic respect.
and i'm sorry but i find it really hard to believe that you'd stick to this argument irl. you don't find it offensive when people bandy slurs around as long as there's no ill intent, which you just... know for some reason? i'm gay and i don't get to have a problem with straight women calling themselves 'fag hags' or tell them to stop?
if words never hurt anybody in exclusion...... nothing wrong with westboro baptist church saying 'god hates fags' either, it's just 3 words! i mean no shit words don't actually physically hurt anyone, but if that's your standard then threats and hate speech should also be a-okay.