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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-06-29 03:40 pm

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Re: How much contact should adopted PoC children have with the culture of their birth?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-29 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
This has been a whole thing recently that I have seen because of the US Supreme Court case regarding adoption of a girl who was 1/256th Cherokee. (To anyone who doesn't know the details, the father signed away his rights (apparently because he didn't want to pay child support but he assumed the mother would keep the child and they could get back together later) and the mother allowed a non-Cherokee couple to adopt the baby and their lawyers put the wrong spelling of his name (apparently he went by two forms) and his birthdate on the form, so the baby girl wasn't recognized as Cherokee). That seemed to bring up a whole storm about how people outside of a race/culture cannot understand a race/culture and children who are adopted by people outside of their race/culture will feel upset at the loss of background/history/culture. Or... something like that.

Basically, the vast majority of people I saw on certain sites were saying that people should only adopt within their own race/culture even if they think they have pure motives. As a teacher who has seen how parents of different races have loved their adopted children, I think it is BS, but apparently what do I know? This is why I'm thinking I'll never adopt, even if I had thought at some point I might, as I don't intend to have biological children.

Re: How much contact should adopted PoC children have with the culture of their birth?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-29 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
1/256th Cherokee

Wow, Cherokees are pretty tolerant people. My nation wouln't consider someone with 1/4th of our blood as truly one of us.

Re: How much contact should adopted PoC children have with the culture of their birth?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-30 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
*Does math*

Wow, 1/256th is eight generations away. One of this girl's great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents - of which she has as many as 256 - was full Cherokee. Putting it another way, one of her great-great-grandparents was 1/32 Cherokee.

Getting back on topic, when I first heard about this, without many details, my first thought was that this was an issue of paternal rights in general rather than anything to do with tribal identity specifically. Hearing he signed his rights away, however? Yeah, dude, if you want to have any input on how and by whom your child is raised, don't do that. You can't have it both ways.

Re: How much contact should adopted PoC children have with the culture of their birth?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-30 06:43 am (UTC)(link)
I don't really know enough to have a bone in this fight, but as far as I can tell the court case wasn't exactly pitting daddy dearest's parental rights against the adopted parents. It was pitting the entire Cherokee Nation's adoption rights against the rights of the (white) adopted parents. Basically, First Nations/Aboriginal/Native American etc. people used to get their kids taken away and raised by white people a lot, which helped speed up the destruction of a lot of native cultures. So in the US, a law was passed where, if a kid with Native ancestry was put up for adoption, the tribe the kid had blood ties to had first dibs on adopting. So even though the bio-dad in this particular case seemed, to me, to be not such a great person, the case going the way it did was still kind of a fuck-you to that law--even if the bio-dad didn't get custody, some other Cherokee descended person should have, because that's what the law was for. It's not about white people, or any people who adopt kids from a place/culture they don't share, so much as it is a chance to slow the destruction of a culture by ensuring that more people grow up knowing it from the inside.

Re: How much contact should adopted PoC children have with the culture of their birth?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-30 08:17 am (UTC)(link)
The girl was 1/256th Cherokee, meaning that she was 255/256th something else. What if her 255 gereat-great...-greatparents wanted her to be raised in their culture too?

Re: How much contact should adopted PoC children have with the culture of their birth?

(Anonymous) 2013-06-30 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Good point. Basic math for the win!