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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-06-29 03:40 pm

[ SECRET POST #2370 ]


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Re: Zimmerman and Trayton

[personal profile] mechanosapience 2013-06-30 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
This, remember that Stand Your Ground laws don't apply to darkies.

Re: Zimmerman and Trayton

(Anonymous) 2013-06-30 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
...You do realize that what Zimmerman did, while questionable at best, and really fucking racist at worst, were technically legal right?
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Re: Zimmerman and Trayton

[personal profile] mechanosapience 2013-06-30 03:54 am (UTC)(link)
You do realize that Stand Your Ground applies to a kid being stalked by a vigilante with a gun, and not just the vigilante with a gun when the kid he's stalking *gasp* defends himself? That was the point of my comment that Stand Your Ground laws clearly don't apply to darkies.

Re: Zimmerman and Trayton

(Anonymous) 2013-06-30 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
That you want to water down a law in a state you don't live in to skin color says a lot more about your views on race than anyone else in this thread. Legally speaking, Zimmerman wasn't a vigilante. Legally speaking, the law didn't apply to Martin because he didn't live there. Legally, Zimmerman was in the right. Morally, he was obviously very wrong and it resulted in Martin's death. The law sucks and should go away. But for real reasons instead of outsiders' wrongful claims about it.
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Re: Zimmerman and Trayton

[personal profile] mechanosapience 2013-06-30 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
Legally speaking, Trayvon Martin has just as much of a claim to self-defense under Stand Your Ground, which just boils down to "you don't have to be in your home to defend yourself with deadly force." Maybe I'm weird, but I think if you're going to have a law like that on the books, it should be applied to the person being stalked by someone with a gun, not the person with a gun when the person he's stalking understandably defends himself.

Re: Zimmerman and Trayton

(Anonymous) 2013-06-30 05:36 am (UTC)(link)
It didn't apply to him because he wasn't a resident of the closed community. The law has provisions specifically dealing with those kinds of neighborhoods because they're so common in Florida. He wasn't breaking any laws, but he wasn't protected under the Stand Your Ground law, either. If this had happened outside of a closed community, then the law would have applied to him, too.
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Re: Zimmerman and Trayton

[personal profile] mechanosapience 2013-06-30 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, I see. Then I concede that Zimmerman may have been acting within the law, but that it is a shitty, short-sighted law that allows someone to stalk and shoot someone for visiting a place they do not themselves reside at simply because they look "out of place."

Re: Zimmerman and Trayton

(Anonymous) 2013-06-30 07:49 am (UTC)(link)
The one on trial is Zimmerman, not Trayvon. Frankly, he didn't know Zimmerman was armed. He slammed the guys head against the pavement over and over. That is excessive force for someone just following you. Given that there's pictures out there he took himself of him holding a weapon, I'd say Trayvon wasn't an innocent little eleven year old just out to play some baseball and eat candy, like some media outlets are showing. (Seriously. They keep plastering a picture that is six years old)

Re: Zimmerman and Trayton

(Anonymous) 2013-06-30 09:38 am (UTC)(link)
He slammed the guys head against the pavement over and over.

So Zimmerman claims. I remember seeing news reports about this last year, and there was security camera footage that showed a surprising lack of being-slammed-into-the-pavement wounds on Zimmerman's head.

What pictures Trayvon took of himself have no bearing on what he was doing on the night he was killed: going to the store to buy a snack before returning to a home he had been invited to stay in by the owner. "Thug" photos aren't relevant to anything except some rather disgusting attempts to claim that Trayvon deserved to die for Walking While Black.

Re: Zimmerman and Trayton

(Anonymous) 2013-06-30 10:50 am (UTC)(link)
So Zimmerman claims. I remember seeing news reports about this last year, and there was security camera footage that showed a surprising lack of being-slammed-into-the-pavement wounds on Zimmerman's head.

I saw that footage taken of him a couple days later, too. But all the footage from that night and the photographs and even prosecution witnesses all give evidence that Zimmerman is telling the truth about being slammed into the sidewalk repeatedly.

Re: Zimmerman and Trayton

(Anonymous) 2013-06-30 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

Yeah, that was my point. Sorry I wasn't clearer. The law is terrible and needs to be thrown out. But because of its existence and the circumstances, it's very probable that Zimmerman will be found not guilty. The DA should have tried for manslaughter.