[ SECRET POST #2370 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2370 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Zimmerman and Trayvon

[ill_omened]

Assuming the worst of Trayvons intentions he tried to kill a man for the crime of asking him what he was doing in the neighbourhood.

It's not a legal or hell even moral obligation to stop following, you have to make a judgement call, one which was clearly wrong, but how much training do you think CAD operators actually get?

And no, person who throws the first punch is pretty massive in assigning responsibility when the question is whether Zimmerman had a valid case for self defence or not. The fact he had a gun on him is fairly irrelevant to that assigning of guilt, unless you think he was criminally negligent in his actions (you would find it extremely difficult to argue this)?

Your comparison is fairly silly. Texting whilst driving has clear links to losing control of your vehicle and killing someone. Merely possessing a weapon and following/talking to someone does not. It's in no way equivocal.

Re: Zimmerman and Trayvon

[darkmanifest]

And assuming the best of Zimmerman's intentions, he took that gun with the intent of possibly using it, because that's what guns are for. Assuming the best of Martin's intentions, he was out for a walk. It is far easier to argue that Zimmerman meant ill going after Martin, than Martin did when he went in the opposite direction.

I said the person with the knife was more culpable in a fistfight, not that the person without the knife wasn't responsible at all. Self-defense is called into question because why was the weapon even involved? And how is Zimmerman being armed irrelevant? In regards to his intent, he had a gun to use it, whether as defense or not. In regards to his actions, he did use it. It wasn't like he stabbed Martin in the eyes with his keys. A gun only has one purpose, and it makes the user's intentions suspect unless they can prove lack of premeditation.

The purpose of that comparison was to point out that being really stupid - as you called Zimmerman - with innocent intentions is no excuse for getting someone killed. I'm not calling Zimmerman a cold-blooded murderer any more than I would the careless driver, but because of their unnecessary foolishness, someone is still dead. That warrants a lot more than a slap on the wrist and an "oh I'm so sorry".

Re: Zimmerman and Trayvon

[ill_omened]

He had the weapon, because he regularly concealed carried.

Specifically because he was advised to by someone in animal control.

The weapon wasn't involved until it had to be, and he might have been dead without it.

That's hardly reckless to the point of manslaughter, and says nothing about any culpability.

Re: Zimmerman and Trayvon

[darkmanifest]

That would all make perfect sense if he had stayed in his car and Martin had come after him. The minute he went after Martin, someone he considered dangerous, with a weapon on him, that made him reckless, and he became the instigator of a confrontation. This didn't happen because Martin was out walking around. It happened because Zimmerman was an idiot who didn't just wait for the cops.