[ SECRET POST #2373 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2373 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 052 secrets from Secret Submission Post #339.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Merlin? There was a scene where Merlin goes to hug Arthur and Arthur throws up his hands and is like "NOOOO, we don't do that" and they both back away from each other like they're armed.

Honestly, I think it's gotten a little worse now than it was before, because now there's more awareness of gestures and behaviors looking "gay", whereas before there was just an obvious assumption that of course this behavior wasn't gay, because there's no possible way these characters could be anything but straight. I was watching MASH recently, and a lot of the interactions between Hawkeye and Trapper were so ho yay, they'd probably be cut in anything modern for fear of giving the shippers Ideas.

[(Anonymous)]

Merlin isn't contemporary, so I'm not sure I'd include that. Actually, I'm being far too kind. That's a stupid fucking example, especially if you're whining about ho-yay in MASH since Merlin was full of it.

[(Anonymous)]

1) Chill your shit out.
2) How is Merlin not contemporary? It just finished airing last year.
3) Merlin had ho yay in subtext, not the characters actually talking about being married, flirting, being in love and such, albeit jokingly. In contemporary stuff, even if characters do that, they always seem to have a little disclaimer about how, even though they just did that, they are totally super-straight for sure. In older shows, they just did it without comment, notwithstanding the aforementioned unspoken assumption that there wasn't the remotest possibility that they were serious.

[(Anonymous)]

merlin tumblr fans were insaaaaaaaane tho even saying the actors were married etc. because they did the brofist thing in one interview or something

I saw it and was like NOPENOPENOPE never going near that tag again

[(Anonymous)]

1. I laughed, but I agree.
2. Merlin's setting is not contemporary, therefore the show is not contemporary. Recently aired =/= contemporary.
3. I think maybe this is irrelevant? Maybe it's not. I don't see how it's related to the secret, at least.

I agree with the person asking about seeing a recent example of what OP is complaining about. Topanga's reaction was relevant to the prevailing attitudes of the time, but it's hardly something to gripe about since it happened 15 years ago. I think the issue is more "Is this something that is still happening?" And like some others have said, I haven't personally seen it.

[(Anonymous)]

"No homo" ring any bells?

[(Anonymous)]

Merlin isn't contemporary

What fucked up dictionary are you using?

Caveat: I never watched it, but...

[(Anonymous)]

Are you being ridiculously obtuse or did I miss something? Isn't Merlin set in, like, the dark ages or something? How is THAT contemporary? It may have had a few anachronisms, but I'm pretty sure acceptance of homosexuality and close affection between unrelated men wouldn't have been one of them...

Re: Caveat: I never watched it, but...

[(Anonymous)]

Set, yes, but the show is modern and generally so are the values being portrayed, i.e. a king marrying a servant girl because of True Love. For better or worse, shows tend to reflect the values of the time when they're created, not the time in which they're set.

Also, acceptance of physical gestures of affection is an on/off thing throughout history. Sometimes they're perfectly okay, sometimes they're a big no-no. Male friends holding hands or kissing is totally acceptable and completely unrelated to homosexuality in a lot of places right now, and it was in the past, depending on the when and where.

Re: Caveat: I never watched it, but...

[intrigueing]

Actually close affection between unrelated men is exactly the kind of thing that was acceptable and celebrated a long time ago.

Granted, values fluctuate so I don't know what the attitude was in that precise time and place, but all records about that era are wonky as hell, so...

[(Anonymous)]

Probably all of the English ones that define contemporary. That would be my guess, anyhow.

Here's dictionary.com's definition for you:

con·tem·po·rar·y
[kuhn-tem-puh-rer-ee] adjective, noun, plural con·tem·po·rar·ies.

adjective
1. existing, occurring, or living at the same time; belonging to the same time: Newton's discovery of the calculus was contemporary with that of Leibniz.
2. of about the same age or date: a Georgian table with a contemporary wig stand.
3. of the present time; modern: a lecture on the contemporary novel.

noun
4. a person belonging to the same time or period with another or others.
5. a person of the same age as another.

[(Anonymous)]

with Merlin tho I think it was more like "uh, you're my servant, and also we have this vaguely antagonistic thing going on where I'm constantly mean to you, so no, we don't hug" and less "ew gay, gross".

but i could be wrong