fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #2394 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2394 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.

__________________________________________________

02.

__________________________________________________

03.

__________________________________________________

04.

__________________________________________________

05.

__________________________________________________

06.

__________________________________________________

07.

__________________________________________________

08.

__________________________________________________

09.

__________________________________________________

10.

__________________________________________________

11.

__________________________________________________

12.

Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 038 secrets from Secret Submission Post #342.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

I think it's that not everyone considers love, in some form, and obsession to be mutually exclusive. Also, not everyone defines love the same way. If love means, "I will do whatever it takes for you to be happy", then Snape did not love Lily. If love means, "I will do whatever it takes to be with you," then Snape did love Lily.

I think that what Snape felt for Lily was the closest he could come to love at the time. I'm not sure if it was love, but it was the best he could do.

This. A very common definition of love people have is "I will do whatever it takes to keep you safe" which sounds simplistic but has so much potential to go wrong.

I don't know if I could see "I will do whatever it takes to be with you" as describing Snape's mentality, though. The way I see it he basically did everything he could to create a miserable existence for her--one where she was considered subhuman, where everything she believed in was trod down on, where her loved ones were murdered in front of her. He probably didn't see it in that sense because I think he was far too wrapped up in his own feelings to realize the implications for Lily. But still...

I get differences in definition, but if that can be considered love, then love loses all meaning.

He might've believed that, as the Dark Lord was bound to win, being high in Voldemort's favor would put him in a position where he can extend protection to Lily. She wouldn't have been happy but in his view, she would've been "safe".

But isn't that part of it all? If he didn't give a shit about her happiness or her emotional well being so long as her body was technically not scarred, is that really love? If you don't care about everything that makes a person who they are, do you really love them?

Love is complex, but I dunno how THAT can be described as love.

You have to consider, with the way he grew up, if he even prioritized emotional well-being above the all-consuming importance of survival. Abused children often grow up thinking the abused state of being is normal, which in turns lead them to becoming abusers in a vicious cycle. So even when they have the same feeling as a healthy person, they can't express it the same way because their view of what's normal and accepted is so warped.

I don't think it loses all meaning at all. But, then, my working definition of love deals more with intensity of feeling, and at least one positive emotion or goodwill towards the person, not focusing on what it excludes. So obsession and abuse can be included, as long as there's something good as well.

You appear to define love as much by what it is not as by what it is. For you (correct me if I'm wrong), love must be at least mostly positive, and not purposefully negative. Which is fine, and I agree that it's much healthier. And I don't think you're definition is simplistic either.

If it's just intensity of emotion, couldn't love and hate be the same thing? To me that just seems like the words lose their meaning, I guess.

> For you (correct me if I'm wrong), love must be at least mostly positive, and not purposefully negative.

You hit it more on the "not purposefully negative". The way I define it, love can be negative, can hurt both people involved. But if it's purposefully negative, I think it loses all the qualities that make it love, and it becomes something altogether different, perhaps with the same intensity.

I think love and hate are different things. If I were to try to put it into words, hate doesn't need something positive, but love does need it. But they can cross over and even blend together.

[ SECRET POST #2394 ]

Re: OP here

Re: OP here

Re: OP here

Re: OP here

Re: OP here

Re: OP here

Re: OP here

Re: OP here

Re: OP here