[ SECRET POST #2403 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2403 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

11. http://i.imgur.com/MtdBtnv.jpg

[queerwolf]

Fans can find fault with something and still enjoy it. Teen Wolf is so far from perfect it's not funny but I love it and read tons of fic for it. Doesn't stop me from every so often thinking a writer has done a better job with the characters and canon (in a specific situation, not overall) than the show writers have and telling them so.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like the OP is talking more about reviewers who genuinely cannot seem to find anything they like about the fandom in question and criticizes it too harshly for a review that is supposed to be about the fic, not the work it derives from.

A review that says the writer handled the situation/character/whatever better than the show is very different from a review that says that the canon is horrible, the characters are all being written ooc in canon, the writers suck, the plot is trivial and stupid...but the fic writer did it so much better.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I don't know, man, it's usually canons I have a problem with that I end up writing fic for. So I'm usually pretty okay with people telling me how much more they like my interpretation/venting with me about the original canon in comments.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I am with you. But I also cannot be in fandom for things I don't like (anymore).

I also tend to avoid it when thing are recommended as better then cannon. That almost always means there is a massive shift in tone and that really makes it unreadable to me.

[ninety6tears]

I don't always mind it but I don't exactly take "I like this better than the canon" as the highest form of compliment because I have seen those kinds of comments on some fics I definitely didn't think were very good. *shrug*

[(Anonymous)]

I get where you're coming from, but I've noticed tons of people are simply not that good at voicing their thoughts so concisely.

I know I've rambled on sometimes just to be able to word my thoughts, and don't really have the time to go and prune my review into something better.

I figured a needlessly wordy review was still better than no review.

sa

[(Anonymous)]

Also, when a fic writer dissects the canon or surpasses it, I assume they're critical of the canon work.

We would have to see which reviews you're talking about to get better context, though.

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is black text over a blank background with the texture and color of slightly wrinkled yellowed paper.]

I can't fucking stand fic reviewers who describe how much the canonical work the fic is derived from sucks before praising the fic as being ~so much better~ than the canon.

A simple "your fic is so good I like it even though I don't even like this show" is fine, but what on earth would possess someone to write a paragraph dissing a fictional work the person they're supposedly complimenting is probably a huge fan of? It's so insulting to the fic writer's intent (unless the writer explicitly said they dislike the work they're writing fic for -- which is rare), it's all about the reviewer needing to spout their opinions everywhere, even when it's not wanted, and not at all genuinely complimenting the fic writer.

Secret because: it's considered rude to argue with someone who compliments your fic, even if their compliment is insulting and contrary to your intent.

[(Anonymous)]

Mixed feelings here. I'm in one small fandom where ripping on canon is the collective team sport, and a lot of fic comment threads reflect this, and we have jokes about which parts of canon we hate so much we pretend they do not exist, etc. But in that fandom, I've received several comments saying 'I like your take on Character X better than canon' and every time I just want to ragequit forever, and I can't even describe exactly why. The closest I've come to defining it is that my fics rely on canon and serve as personal commentary on canon - they can't replace it in any sense.

I do think a lot of fic can come from rage at the imperfect. Canon exists, and it matters to you, but then something about it fucks you up and you have to scream back at it, get into it, take out your feelings on it, personalise it. It's something like blasphemy.

[intrigueing]

I think maybe you feel that way because there's a BIG difference between rage at a stupid/awful plot development or canon character derailment or a missed opportunity or a steady decline in quality, and literally just plain not liking the source material and thinking the show/book/whatever is worthless. In fact, they're almost polar opposites. No one would rage at a canonical work that they disliked through and through -- people usually rage at stuff that is part-"stuff they love" and part-"stuff they hate that happened instead of something better that would have fit with the stuff they love".

tl;dr -- hating Thing X about Show Y is totally different from hating Show Y, and while dissing Thing X and writing fic to fix it is awesome, dissing Show Y just pisses fans off.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Yeah but my suspicion is that the comments OP is describing are more likely to come form that kind of mixed-up love-hate place than pure dislike, because people who feel pure dislike for the canon aren't likely to be reading fic for it in the first place, and the fannish expression of lovehate tends to devolve simply to hate because, if you're in the fandom, the love part goes without saying.

[tabaqui]

I find it baffling, too, but usually i just say something like 'thanks for taking a chance on my fic!' and leave it at that.