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⌈ Secret Post #2418 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

lol why do the Tumblr feminists hate him? Beyond him being a white cis hetero male of course.

[lex_antonia]

He might be genderqueer and bisexual, though.

[hamimi_fk]

Actually, I'm curious about this too considering Snape's love of Lily was what led him to the 'good' path (in a manner of speaking). Yeah, he yelled at her when they were younger but he had just been horribly embarrassed and took his anger out on the first person that crossed his path, not out of malice toward her in anyway.

I'm not seeing why the feminists would have a pickle with him? =?

[(Anonymous)]

This is a really good point that I think a lot of people lose sight of. Lashing out at a friend immediately after experiencing a traumatic event, while not laudable behavior by any means, is in no way equivalent to conducting a systematic campaign of bigotry and harassment against that friend.

[hamimi_fk]

Thank you! My point exactly! =D

[(Anonymous)]

But Snape used the word Mudblood *all the time*. Lily said as much herself in The Prince's Tale. That's part of the reason she ended the friendship. It WAS a systematic campaign of bigotry and harassment, but not against her; just, you know, against every other muggleborn. And she gave him the benefit of the doubt for five years while he disrespected her behind her back and when it came to slap her in the face she finally decided to call it quits.

[gabzillaz]

Nice Guy poster child?

[hamimi_fk]

Maybe not exactly, but he was still a good guy. A good guy that was hurting and had to keep up appearances and had a buttload of baggage carried over from a crappy childhood.

[gabzillaz]

Yeah, but you can have baggage and a crappy childhood AND still be a creepy Nice Guy.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL a "good guy". How, exactly? He was bullying kids for being muggleborns. He was inventing lethal dark magic to use against his enemies. He was following the Marauders around to try and get them expelled, and especially to out Remus and make his life miserable. He was discriminating against Muggleborns and wished to join the Death Eaters by his fifth year, by the time he was 15/16.

And that's all before he started to bully kids who had no power over him, before he killed people in the war, before he handed over a prophecy that ensured the death of a family, before he worked for Voldemort. Like, damn. This guy was not good by any measure.

[tasogare_n_hime]

But he didn't seem to have any respect for Lily as a person though.

[hamimi_fk]

I don't think that's true. He had a shitty upbringing, which made it hard for him to show his affections others in some ways, probably in a lot of ways, and it definitely made him more likely to lash out before thinking. I doubt he ever resented Lily for being muggleborn so much as he simply despised his horrid muggle father who in turn treated his [Snape's mother] like she was less than a person. Kids learn from their parents and Snape had to live with his for the first 10 years of his life, so that was how he learned to treat women.

That said, I'm more than sure he was smart enough to see that it was wrong and he loved Lily best he understood how to short of screaming and belittling and possibly violence (he seemed to have love his mother because why else call yourself the Half-Blood Prince? so I'm sure she treated him kindly, which is probably where he really learned to care for another person). He never looked down on Lily as far as I can tell, which is evidenced when he tells her she's special because she's a witch.

[(Anonymous)]

He disliked muggles before he ever got to school. In The Prince's Tale, he looked down on Petunia for being a muggle; it had nothing to do with the fact that she was mean to him (which would be a legit reason to dislike her) but he disliked her for being a boring old muggle. He says this twice. Once, on the train, while Lily is crying over her sister, and he's basically like "why do you care about her? She's just a muggle". So for one, he doesn't try to appreciate the fact that Lily cares about her sister because her sister happens to be scum in his eyes.

Then at Hogwarts, he treated everyone of her kind like crap. He bullied them and call them mudbloods and laughed it off when muggleborns were attacked with dark magic, because it was "just a laugh". He was just sorry when he used the word on Lily. He obviously didn't care much about how it would affect her to support this discrimination behind her back.

Then he joined the Death Eaters, actively helping the group that was hunting down muggles and muggleborns and those she loved and cared for. He never changed his mind or his views despite the fact that they were all contributing to making her life hell. He only changed sides when his own actions condemned her to certain death. And then, he bargained her life in exchange for the lives of the two people she loved most.

Had he believed Voldemort would've been the better bet in keeping Lily safe, he would've remained a loyal Death Eater, killing mudbloods and muggles in the name of "saving Lily".

And the cherry on top of the cake... he bullied her child mercilessly because he happened to look like James Potter. No matter how much he knew this child was abused at home. He had no sympathy because his own feelings meant more to him, once again, than Lily's or Harry's.

Honestly, I can't see how he EVER respected her in any measure. He didn't care how she felt about her sister, how she felt about her kind, how she felt about discrimination, how she felt about the war or her family, how she felt about her husband and child, and he didn't care about how she would feel about her son being tormented by a superior all over again.

[(Anonymous)]

his muggle father beat him and he felt like the only good person in the world was his mother. he and his mother are magical (and it's implied that tobias beat them both while 'justifying' it with them being magical) so he clings to that as 'civilized' and 'good' and that it's not them that's the problem, it's his father and his father is a muggle and he's sure he's not right, that being magical ISN'T bad because his mother is magical and she is the best thing in his life and you really don't see how a CHILD can hate muggles.

I think it's so weird that people both decry Snape for being mean to children while also attacking him for being mean AS A CHILD. Complaints about him as an adult are one thing, but being like 'well he hated Petunia' and 'he called Lily a mudblood' are ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

Where is ti ever even implied Snape's father was physically abusive? Verbal abuse definitely, but I just re-read the Prince's Tale, and beatings remarkably absent.

[(Anonymous)]

Ummm, you're making up a lot of this. BOTH his parents were neglectful and fought with one another, but nothing in canon says they were even abusive towards Snape other than their neglect (which is a form of abuse, but it's not verbal/physical abuse like you're implying).

I really, honest to god wonder if you'd be defending this prejudice if it was racial. "Oh, he had a black father who was horrible to his white mother, no kidding he hated black people". That's... not an excuse. It doesn't make it okay. This is obviously not racism, but it's meant to be a parallel. And forming a severe hatred for a group of people off one encounter is never okay.

How is it AT ALL ridiculous to find fault with his treatment of Petunia and Lily? If he's just been mean to Petunia in response to her being mean, that would be totally understandable. BUt he was mean to her because she was a muggle. He was shit to Lily because she was a muggleborn, even if he never meant for her to hear that word. That's NOT justifiable. Wtf.

[tasogare_n_hime]

No he didn't look down on her, he idealized her that's just as bad.

He didn't listen to her concerns about his future Deatheater buddies, he was while still trying keep her as a friend become a Deatheater himself. Every muggle-born but Lily was a mudblood to him. When her life was in danger the first, and only thing he thought of was his desire for her to live until Dumbledore called him on it. He was perfectly willing to sell her husband and son to Voldemort as long as she survived, no matter what her feelings might have been. And then he spent years bulling her child, the child she gave her life for out of spite.

It was obvious he loved her,(even though I think that "love" alone was creepy.) I just don't see any real respect for her in that relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. I am a fan of Snape-the-character, but Snape-the-person would be horrible, horrible, horrible to be around. He did some heroic things, but he also did a lot of really, really ugly things, and even his love (or "love" depending on your reading) for Lily was chock full of problems.

I mean, he is basically (to me) that white guy who will totally obsess over and date this one black woman, but he'll still be racist as fuck otherwise, which means she's somehow "exceptional" to him, which is STILL RACIST. So. Ew.

[(Anonymous)]

I never got that impression. On what do you base that?

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't say he had NO respect for her as a person, but he did have a habit of blowing off her concerns (her upset over Petunia, her issues with his friends). Coupled with his calling other people of her birth Mudblood some time before he finally used the word on her, it does seem like he ignored much of who she was as a person.

[(Anonymous)]

Even if you're angry, there's no excuse with lashing out with a slur that is heavily laden with prejudice during wartime when those who are affected by said slur were tortured and murdered for their blood status. Basically, if it's in your vocabulary at all, you've got a problem.

And Snape used the word lots. Lily pointed that out. He used the word "mudblood" on every other muggleborn, so why should she be any different? It didn't just "slip out" in anger. It was a word he used frequently, behind her back, on those like her. That's why it came out in the first place. He didn't mean to use it on her... because he saw her as the exceptions. But it became clear to Lily that being the exception was not any better than being discriminated against.