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Did I offend some social justice code?

Ah, pretending innocence too. Sorry, that still doesn't make you any less failtastic in your trolling.

woah there friend this troll is getting very meta

If you say so.

lol are you serious rn

"Spastic" is not derogatory in every part of the world. It's really not all that strange for someone to have never seen or heard it used as a slur.

... Spastic is derogatory?

Case in point!

But yeah. In the UK it's used as a slur against people with disabilities that impact muscle control, such as cerebral palsy.

I actually saw that in the thread below just after I made this comment.

Does that apply to the shortening of "spaz" as well? I'm planning on moving to England eventually, so I guess it's probably a good idea to know whether or not I'm going to offend people by calling myself a spaz. I've literally never heard it used for people with cerebral palsy before

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thene - 2013-08-18 02:50 (UTC) - Expand

Very. On a scale of one to ten it is a nine point five. We're not talking about some lame word a retard or a derp might use here, this is serious offence way beyond any of those. The offence you got at the last sentence, beef it up by a factor of fifty and you are half way there to the level of offence the "S" word (and its colloquial abbreviation) have. Note how I don't mind throwing around lame, or derp, or retard, or even mong (although I did hesitate a bit over mong), but the "S" word is the "S" word. That is just how offensive it is.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-08-19 14:54 (UTC) - Expand

I think it's more of a cultural thing.

Spastic in the US is not offensive of a term as it is over seas.

Spastic in the US = Loud, obnoxious person
Spastic Elsewhere = Someone who has the medical condition cerebral palsy

Like how fanny in the US is a kid term for the butt but in the UK, it is a dirty slang term for the vagina.

Fanny is also an aunt from child investor novels.

Yeah basically. I didn't mean to imply that Bellatrix had cerebral palsy.

Just generally an evil derp.

Huh. I knew "spastic" had a much worse connotation overseas than in the US, but I thought it had to do with epilepsy. Live and learn.

Cerebral palsy and epilepsy are not the same thing.

Tones can come across weird on the internet, so I just want to add that my only intent is to politely inform.

Certainly they are very different, but a common thread is a kind of uncoordinated movement which is what I thought 'spastic' made fun of in a broad sense. I didn't know it was just considered a slur for those with cerebral palsy.

not the person you replied to, but they meant that they thought it meant epilepsy, not cerebral palsy.

Late to the thread, but in Canada, it's a bit more nuanced: Spastic, when used in a medical setting, by medical professionals, as medical terminology, or when referring to one's own RL medical condition (i.e., my spastic leg muscle, my spastic body part etc.) that's fine.

Call an able-bodied person (or yourself, if you are able-bodied) a spazz, ehhhh, that's pushing it. In poor taste, maybe, but hardly the OMG!TEH!SOSHUL!INJUSTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE!!!!!ELEVENTY!!! the SJWS go on (and on and on and on and on and...you get my point) about.

Call a PWD a spazz here, OTOH, and you're def. looking for war.

Is fanny really a dirty word for vagina in the UK?

It means vagina here in Australia, but it's more childish and kiddy.

Pretty much the same in the UK, Aussie anon. Not that dirty, a bit daft. Basically, in both countries you'll get raised eyebrows if you say, "He has a lovely fanny."

I've heard spastic and spaz used mostly either neutrally or as terms of endearments all my life. I genuinely had no idea that it even could be an insult until not too long ago in fandom.

Yeah, this is news to me. I've never heard anyone mention it being offensive here in Canada. People use it all the time; I have, too... whoops. Now that's awkward.

It's pretty offensive in Australia. Really not a good term to use here, and I wouldn't use it online either.

I know that now, I and I try not to use it, and most of the time I do so easily. It's just when I'm in a rush and I don't pay as much attention to what I wrote, smaller things like this tend to slip past because it's so deeply entrenched in my mind as a neutral or endearing term that I only catch it when I'm actively looking for "is this offensive to other people" words - which I sometimes forget to do. Rarely, but it still happens.