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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-08-18 03:01 pm

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[personal profile] helenadax 2013-08-18 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
But she hasn't faced more misogyny and violence than most women in Westeros. We've seen examples of women who follow their own rules: Arya, Brienne, lady Mormont, Asha, Mya Stone... And they aren't awful people.

Plus, I think Cersei has always been awful. She's always hated Tyrion and she was very cruel with one of her maids when she was just a kid. I think the key to her unhappiness is mostly her wonderful dad. But of course, unlike her brothers, she can't accept that.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-18 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I think that's one of her mistakes: Unlike those you mentioned above, she chose to exactly fit in that "treacherous, sexual woman" stereotype because that was expected of her anyway.

However, I can also see how she might be particularly bitter because she has a twin brother, who, as she feels, is exactly the same as she is... except he's a boy, and he gets everything she would have wanted, while she has to do what is expected of girls. Well, and obviously Tywin was a horrible person, and she needs to acknowledge that.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-18 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Arya, Brienne, the Mormonts (I fucking love the Mormonts) and even Asha have always had somebody on their side though. They had supportive families and space to set their own rules.

Tywin fucked up all of his children in different ways. He fucked up his daughter by treating her as chattel. Nobody in her family ever seems to have ever listened to anything she had to say. (They certainly don't in the books. Nobody ever has a conversation with her about anything she does. Robert, Tywin, Kevan, Tyrion, and even Jaime ignore her all the time. She just stews in her brain and then goes and sets fire to people, possibly partly because that will at least get a reaction.)

I'm not saying she necesssarily wouldn't be murderous and cruel if she'd had different options, but I think the ways in which Cersei is currently fucked up are inseperable from the crap she's taken all her life. And that crap is gendered.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-18 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a good point, Tywin is basically the worst dad ever.

(Anonymous) 2013-08-18 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I do wonder what Cersei would be like in a less sexist environment. It is actually something I've been thinking about hard lately.