[ SECRET POST #2420 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2420 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Almost everyone on the show has been victimized. It's more about the decisions they make after the abuse they suffer. Now, personally, I don't think that there's anything terribly wrong about Sam wanting to get out. I mean, yeah, it seems selfish to me because, well, if you knew that there were monsters out there and you just decided to fuck off and let people die...that's a selfish thing to do. But people are allowed to be selfish. It's one of our defining characteristics as a species. And Sam would probably end up helping people out some other way, so, shit, get him out of there.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think people take issue with Sam wanting out of the life. That's perfectly reasonable.

It's all the other shit that make people side-eye him (for example: when he quit hunting in early S5, abandoning Dean knowing he was Michael's vessel and being hunted by Heaven, not feeling the need to help clean up his mess from releasing Lucifer, only coming back when he found out he was Lucifer's vessel, then he was all about the quest because it was about him again, that kind of stuff).

Even in S8, with him fucking off with Amelia for a year, people didn't blame him for that, what they had a problem with was him not giving a shit about his missing brother or the teenager he saw kidnapped or the Leviathans running around eating people. He just got in the car and drove until he found a good place to stop. No one seems to blame him for wanting a normal life, they blame him for abandoning his responsibilities.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I get that, I do. Honestly, Sam is probably my least favorite character to watch on the show for all the reasons you brought up. It's really easy for me to start flat out hating him. But at the same time... I can't help but bring fourth wall breakage into it. Sam wouldn't look like half the asshole he does if badly plotted contrivances didn't keep shoving him out and dragging him back in (I.E. they needed Sam to not be hunting while Dean was in Purgatory, so they just shuffled him off with Amelia). And it's been a while since I saw season 5, but wasn't it Dean that sent him away and told him he was a danger to himself and others? I honestly don't remember and could be completely wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Sam wouldn't look like half the asshole he does if badly plotted contrivances didn't keep...

See, like you, in the beginning, I always assumed Sam's assholishness was a result of lazy writing, but after, IDK, the first 4 years or so, I started to accept that Sam is genuinely, canonically an asshole. I mean, S8 for example, I can think of 3-5 scenarios off the top of my head that could have easily negated the shit-head factor of his year off, but the writers chose to make him an asshole. It's deliberate. Which makes it not so much a plot contrivance, and more.... canon, doesn't it?

[(Anonymous)]

Meh. I always thought Dean was the asshole, a messed up alcoholic, self righteous, borderline abusive asshole. Different strokes.

[(Anonymous)]

Dean is an asshole. And it seems like most of his fans admit it. It's part of what they love about him.

Sam's fans, for some reason, can't seem to admit he's anything other than a woobie victim.

[(Anonymous)]

Most of his fans admit it? Really? Yeah okay.

[(Anonymous)]

In my experience, yes. Even if they woobify him and think he's an abused, sparkly princess, they still admit he's an asshole from time to time.

I mean, isn't that part of his charm?

[(Anonymous)]

He is an asshole. However, he doesn't read as an asshole that would screw you over for his own personal gain or feelings, because of what he thinks he 'deserves',