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⌈ Secret Post #2421 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I got told off in a forum once for using the word jipped, I was very surprised. I had no idea it had anything to do with a group of people, let alone the word gipsy. For my area it's just slang meaning I got ripped off. I can kinda see how it came from gipsy after some research into it, but somewhere along the way, in my area of the world at least, it's not connected because jipped is local slang and gipsy is...something you see in old movie and not in local slang.

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that you (and I, up until a couple of years ago) both thought it was spelled "jipped" instead of "gypped" really shows that a lot of people have absolutely no awareness of the etymology of the word or the fact that it plays on an offensive stereotype about an ethnic group, and that it's very easy to use without any sort of knowledge of the offense it may rightly cause.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt,

I think sometimes people just expect you to know things by osmosis. Most people don't know the etymology of words they use, especially if it's local slang. They are just words picked up and used (and double points if you're on the opposite side of the world to the location of the original word's origin).

So yeah, I can totally see how someone would use a word and not know that it's a derivative or a slur, or related to a slur or even just a different word that happens to be a slur. It's just, it's going to happen. This is a big world with lots of different insults that may not be an insult somewhere else.

The internet is helping but even now, IRL, I will use the word jipped. I won't use it online (now, I guess), and I certainly won't use slang in a professional setting, but in a casual local discussion about being jipped at the auto shop or something? Yeah, and there's probably other slangs I've used that are offensive elsewhere...and same for others (I am so baffled about a character called 'Slag' in some american kids show because holyshit that's a 'slur' for me, but I guess not over there)

tl;dr words get mixed up a lot.

[(Anonymous)]

There is also the fact that words evolve. Just because a word had a negatively-based etymology doesn't mean that it's at all like that anymore. Take most insult words. Hooligan, retard/imbecile/idiot, etc.

You can also call someone hysterical, or say they went into hysterics. No longer as anything to do with women. Or floating uteruses.

The etymology of a word doesn't necessarily have anything to do with its current usage. Words like retard, obviously, are still used to insult and hurt a group of genuinely handicapped individuals. And their use within culture is still pretty fresh. Gyp, as a verb, is over 125 years old. It's shed its roots, I think. -_-

DA

[(Anonymous)]

Hell, just look at bastard. That one has completely shed its ties with its original meaning and is going off on its own little etymological tangent...

I have a funny story about the word "retard"

[nyxelestia]

Several years ago when towards the end of 8th grade (so me and my classmates were mostly in the late-13 to very early-15 age range), my social studies class did a project on various historical figures, with one group doing a presentation on a woman (I forget who) that did a lot of advocacy for the mental ill and the insane in the late 1800's.

At one point the main speaker of that group was quoting a book, and then stopped to say that while they were quoting, they changed a word. They explained that the book used "retarded" in reference to mentally disabled, but because retarded is an insult today they changed it...because they felt wrong insulting the mentally disabled, which is what they would have been doing if they'd used "the mentally retarded" as the book they were quoting did. I remember one of the other guys in the presentation actually chiming in to say something to the effect of, "the word is offensive, especially to special ed kids, and we didn't want to use it here" or something to that effect.

My teacher had to stop and explain that actually, "mentally retarded" was the original medical term for the mentally disabled, and that this is where the modern insult of "retarded" comes from.

(Ironically enough, several times in my life I'd heard that it was once used as medical/official term for the mentally disabled, but the first time I'd ever actually heard it used as such was in college, when a class of mine watched a documentary from the 80's - before playing it, my professor had to stop and tell the class, "as many of you probably don't know, this used to be the official term, so don't be shocked when you hear it in this video" - and as it turned out, there were people who hadn't known.)

Re: I have a funny story about the word "retard"

[kazokuhouou]

I actually had a similar discussion about this with my English teacher cause my senior paper was on Flowers for Algernon.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

(I am so baffled about a character called 'Slag' in some american kids show because holyshit that's a 'slur' for me, but I guess not over there)

There's also the fun fact that in the fandom that comes from, "Slag" is the Unusual Euphemism for "Shit".

Maybe the creators of G1 didn't know it'd come to mean that but if any of the more recent series have been using it again... well I'd be amused that no one informed them they're calling a character "Shit".

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, Slag for me is more like "dirty whore pig" and is a pretty woah for me to hear on TV.

But then I remembered this was ?American? and didn't care anymore. I don't even remember what show it was for, it was a kids show. I want to say dragons but :/ Can't remember.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I only found out what it meant after I picked up the fandom jargon.

And the fandom is Transformers. Slag was the name of one of the five Dinobots in G1. TFA (the cartoon put out around the time of the Bay movies) only had three dinobots, and did not use that name for any of them.

[(Anonymous)]

Dinosaur = dragon for me apparently, haha I really wasn't paying attention. I was babysitting and hearing it pulled me out of not paying much attention to going D: ...D: /hope the kids don't repeat it ever

But yes, Slag. Slurr for me but not for there, as an illustrative "what's an ok word in one place is not ok in another"

Similarily the my little pony character but I've seen the wank that causes o_o

[(Anonymous)]

"Slag" is the technical/professional term for the mineral impurities removed from copper, nickel etc during metalworking. When someone smelts ore, the slag is the non-desirable rock that is separated out because it can't be forged into metal. I could see that being an appropriate named for a robot character, especially a shady one.

[(Anonymous)]

It's gypped, and it's not from 'gypsy' It's from gyp, which was a term for vulture. Gyp and gypsy have the common root of Egypt. Gyps bengalensis is not a slur, it's a white-rumped vulture.

There's historical quotes of people using gyp and gypped to refer to 'vulture-like' people, usually servants. But I've yet to see anyone find a document actually recording the phrase "They gypsied me" which is supposedly the origin or gypped.

[thezmage]

http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2012/5/24/how-to-fight-casual-racism.html

Most "I got ripped off" phrases are racist.

[truxillogical]

I was in my 20's before I heard a relative say "tried to Jew me" and my jaw about hit the floor. At least with "jipped" it's so far removed from the word that you don't immediately make the association.

Also, thanks for sharing. Fun comic. (And yeah, another thing I didn't hear until my 20's was my stepfather talking about Brazil nuts with that other charming term. The South, ladies and gents.)

[(Anonymous)]

you said "ripped off" -- that's racist too

any reference to dishonesty is inherently racist and rooted in discrimination and stereotype

[(Anonymous)]

We shouldn't even open our mouths anymore - that's verbal privilege!

[(Anonymous)]

Won't someone think of the mutes!

[(Anonymous)]

wow you inconsiderate fuck not everyone can think, just shut up

[(Anonymous)]

But how can I talk about being ripped off :(

[(Anonymous)]

I always thought it was 'jibbed' based on local pronunciation, thought it was some reference to sailing. I still use it with friends, but I'll be careful using it with strangers, and fair enough too.