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⌈ Secret Post #2427 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

This is exactly what I think. Sam's story is more plotty while Dean's is more POV. But I think the last couple of seasons Sam has gotten the POV as well. Season 6 was the last season that was Dean-heavy, I think, and even then it was about evenly split rather than being more one or the other.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I agree that Sam's had more POV recently. He had a lot in the first three seasons as well. S4 was really the first season that stopped having a lot of Sam POV and that was because they were playing of the mystery of what Sam was doing.

S6 was pretty Dean-heavy in terms of POV, I agree. I'd argue though that his POV was 100% focused on either Sam or Cas (or more rarely on Lisa and Ben). Bobby even scolded him for not focusing on Sam.

(OTT for this thread but I've got some serious issues with Bobby. He's done just as much damage to Dean as John ever did when it comes to cutting Dean off at the knees if he ever wants something for himself or chaffs under the burden of looking out for Sam. I really don't get why Bobby gets a free pass - is even celebrated for being an ideal father figure! - when John is slammed for doing the same things that Bobby did all the freaking time.)

As a result, it doesn't feel to me like S6 was actually Dean-heavy? Just that it had a lot of his POV. S6 did feel like the last season where we got some significant exploration of Dean as an individual though. We had more references to Dean's time in Hell in S6 than in any other post-Hell season other than S4. We got to explore at least a little about Dean's fears about turning into a father like John, even if that was cut off in a way that didn't make any sense and Lisa and Ben were written out painfully early. It was a bunch of little things but it made me feel like there was someone who actually understood Dean on the writing staff.

In contrast, S7!Dean just felt like a jerk to me. Like all the skillful handling of his character had been sucked away. S8!Dean is far less of a jerk but he still feels somehow hollow. It's like watching fanfiction!Dean, almost - like he's being written by people who don't quite get him. (Which really wouldn't surprise me given that the writing staff has admitted that they haven't watched all of the episodes of the show. :/) Sam has that same hollow feeling for me too, though I feel like that started with him back in S6.

Sorry, I ramble. Point being, yes. Fully agree.

[(Anonymous)]

Bobby and John did share some traits and attitudes that I think are actually pretty common among hunters generally. The whole "This is how it is, suck it up and quit whining" thing is I think probably what happens when people have been forced to accept that the world is horrible in ways they never imagined and there are no end to the bad things that can and do happen, and that the only way to prevent at least some of them is to keep moving and not get caught up in grief, self-pity or wishful thinking.

However, in Bobby's defense, he never obsessed about revenge the way John did (at least until he became a spirit,) he did give Dean affection and attention much more often and openly than John did, and he was always, always there for the boys. I don't think he ever asked Dean to do anything for Sam that he wouldn't have done for both boys, or anyone else he considered family, himself.