[ SECRET POST #2429 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2429 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Arrested Development]


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03.
[George R.R. Martin]


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04.
[Bee and PuppyCat]


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05.
[Harry Potter]


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06.
[Resident Evil 6]


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[The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings]


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08.
[Naruto]


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09.
[Jin, Hanzawa Naoki]


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10.
[Neverwinter Nights]


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11.
[Shina Dark]


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12.
[Thomas Gibson from the series Criminal Minds]












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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're putting way too much into this. Severely anti-social? He wasn't incapable of interacting with people or forming connections, he was just averse to it. he at least talked to Sakura a bit about the massacre, encouraged her and hung out/joked with her and Naruto. He had issues but you're lending some sort of over complexity to it, honestly. (Naruto's socialization issues, wtf? He's supposed to be loud and brash, that' just a shonen hero thing.)

And here's the thing, it doesn't actually matter what Kishi has Sasuke say or do at this point if he never so much even has a moment of clarity to acknowledge to himself that he did wrong.

Is that not an extremely necessary part of any serious apology? I should think that would go unstated with "I assume he'll offer them an apology at some point."

[(Anonymous)]

And what is the qualitative difference between being incapable of forming social connections and being averse to it when this state of being isn't natural to your personality and was brought about by trauma? The bottom line is, he wasn't like that when his family was around, and now, he is. That isn't normal. His defrosting interactions with his teammates came about gradually -- they're signs of his improving psyche as a result of, you know, finally starting to have people to care about again. Until it all came to a crashing halt.

Yes, I'm sure Naruto was just the typical loud brash shounen hero and didn't have any issues growing up ostracized and despised. This utter lack of issues is why he could claim to empathize with the likes of Gaara, who let's hope no one will argue was just a standard kid. I mean, what is the entire basis of his argument that Sasuke should stay when they had their Valley of End showdown? That he knew what if it felt like to be so alone and having so much hatred inside you.

I hope you're kidding because yes, being earnest in your intention and accepting you did wrong is absolutely essential to a serious apology. In real life, even! That's why tropes like "My God, What Have I Done" exist: to facilitate well-written redemption arcs.

[(Anonymous)]

And what is the qualitative difference between being incapable of forming social connections and being averse to it when this state of being isn't natural to your personality and was brought about by trauma?

There is a severe difference between being literally incapable of forming social connections and being averse to it, even in reaction to trauma, are you kidding me. Is this. I said he had a very fucked up past (obviously) but he still displayed the ability to act like a normal kid and function and open up/care to people for most of part one wtf. Compare that to part two Sasuke who has to parallel Taka to Team 7 mentally in order to bring himself to help them--that's the difference between being incapable and averse.

This utter lack of issues is why he could claim to empathize with the likes of Gaara, who let's hope no one will argue was just a standard kid.

> ability to empathize
> socialization issues

Please. No one is saying Naruto didn't have issues. just that he channeled them differently and to a much less severe extent than Gaara or Sasuke post his Itachi encounter. He's obviously a far cry from v1 Gaara or Sasuke, but he acted as a child far differently from Gaara. I should hope that's obvious. He did ridiculous pranks for attention, he didn't murder people, and was obviously capable of relationships and affection unlike Gaara. (Iruka, crushing on Sakura, etc)

I hope you're kidding because yes, being earnest in your intention and accepting you did wrong is absolutely essential to a serious apology. In real life, even! That's why tropes like "My God, What Have I Done" exist: to facilitate well-written redemption arcs.

Um, yes. Which is why I'm confused you wrote a paragraph earlier about how Sasuke's assumed future apology to T7 won't matter if he doesn't acknowledge that he was wrong, because acknowledging you were wrong is a fundamental part of an apology--without acknowledging it, the apology doesn't really exist, hence why his owning of his actions would hopefully go unstated as a qualifier.

[(Anonymous)]

Telling Sakura in all seriousness, "I have a man I want to kill," doesn't exactly qualify as being emotionally open about his issues, it's just another sign that he was fucked up.

[(Anonymous)]

If his realization goes "unstated", that would be the epitome of lazy writing. Sure, instead of showing that Sasuke's sorry for what he did, let's just have him say that he is and pretend that's how he's felt all along even though at no previous point was this apparent.

A redemption arc, to be well-done, takes time and development. The thing is Kishimoto had a chance to make this work, and even now he can introduce little asides of Sasuke's thoughts where he acknowledges these things. But no, instead let's have a bunch of dead guys reveal to him that his clan was all about peace and love, and have that be the reason for him to change sides.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you being deliberately obtuse. I'm not saying the realization itself should go unstated in the manga. I'm saying that the fact that an apology includes an acknowledgement of one's faults should go unstated. That's like 50 percent of a true apology.