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[(Anonymous)]

Do you mean by US centric way that in the US there is a tendency towards diversity? Not sure what you are getting at.

[(Anonymous)]

I suspect people who say "US centric" when they're talking about racial diversity are digging for an acceptable way to talk about it (racial diversity) like it's a bad thing.

[iggy]

Pretty much. Last time I checked Western Europe wasn't just white people.

[(Anonymous)]

Neither is the distribution of black and white people in Europe comparable to the situation in the US. Which is why inclusion of a black character or two in every work set in, let's say Germany, is considered US centric because it is in no way representative of any reality. I understand people getting upset when they see "acceptable foreigners"* included instead of people of their own descent, in settings that are otherwise meant to represent their own experiences and situations, even though they own ethnicity is a much, much, much larger part of the country's population than the number of the desirable ethinicity.

*(black people, let's say from the former French colonies, have a lot less negative sterotypes associated with them over here than Turkish people. I guess, much like the stereotype of the "intelligent Asian" vs the "job stealing Mexican" in the US)

There simply are not enough black people living in Germany for them to be realistically included in every main cast, especially in lieu of people of Turkish or Polish descent.


Western and Northern Europe (with the exception of maybe France) will look very white to people used to distinguish different ethnic groups by skin colour.

People complaining about "US centric" diversity are not saying that diversity is bad per se. But that "US centric" diversity represented in their media is erasing the reality of the diversity they encounter in real life.

This is why I find it really obnoxious when SWJ get on someone's case for not including certain PoCs in their fanwork, or their original work, when these people simply are not a part of the creators day-to-day experience. It's like accusing an American of racism for not including a person of Turkish or Greek decent in every work. They are simply focusing on a different set of racial diversity, and why shouldn't they?


anecdotal info, thus not representative of the situation in the whole country, but I felt like I should give an example: I hear Polish spoken every day when I leave the house. My best friend at uni was of Polish descent, one of my best friends at school was half Chinese. I went to school with a lot of kids of Russian and Turkish decent and a couple from south east Asia, but I have only personally known two black people in my whole life. One in school (one of 3 black kids in the whole school -- and it was a big school, I lived in one of the top 10 biggest cities in the country), and one at university.


So when I watch/read anything set in a place based on a Wester European country, or even my country, and the cast is made up of two white kids, a black person and perhaps an Asian, and no slavic people in sight, I will call that racist.

[(Anonymous)]

I love you please marry me. these are my thoughts exactly everytime I have to deal with germany-based sjws. they get all their theoretical background (or what's left of it through the stillepost-game from uni to the tumblr-blob) from the US, and suddenly it's all "omg blackface" here and "PoC" there. Nevermind that most of our "minorities" are not "colored" any different than we are, but still face racism and discrimination, and that there is a vast difference in the cultural history of assimilation, exotization and segregation.

[(Anonymous)]

Different places have different large minorities that are underrepresented - for example diversifying in a German setting usually doesn't mean black people (because the media is actually heavily over-representing black people compared to the actual population, thanks to US-American media making its way over and the black minority being only about 1%), it means adding Asian, Turkish, Greek, Italian or Slavic people.

Applying the diversity of a US setting to a foreign setting is kind of offensive, yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

This!



When you watch/read anything set in a place based on a Wester European country, especially Germany, and the cast is made up of two white kids, a black person and perhaps an Asian, and no slavic people or people of Mediterranean descent in sight, people have the right to be offended.

At best, what's happenening in these cases, is undesirable minorities being replaced with more desirable ones. :/

[(Anonymous)]

If that's your problem with it, you can't get hide behind your "US centric!" excuse, because black or Asian being "more desirable" than Slavic or Mediterranean is the absolute opposite of the typical American mindset about minorities.

[(Anonymous)]

I think what they meant is that to Slavic and Mediterranean people outside the US this feels like they're so undesirable that even people who are always talking about tolarance and inclusion don't want them around.

[(Anonymous)]

But the problem in parts stems from US centrism.

TV productions here (what little we have) have begun not only to become americanised in style, but also in concepts like what the audience expects in cast diversity. The TV producers have adopted the idea of US token minorities and put them into their shows instead of a realistic amount of characters of Turkish or slavic descent.

Us centrist doesn't mean "everyone behaves to every ethnicity in the same way" but "diversity is the same everywhere as in the US". And it's just not true. You can't project your image of token minorities unto Europe.