[ SECRET POST #2432 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2432 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.
[Leverage]


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03.
[Dragon Ball Z]


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05.
[John Cusack, Say Anything]


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06.
[Arrested Development]


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07.
[Star Wars]


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08.
[Easy A]


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09.
[Star Trek]


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10. http://i.imgur.com/XrNzg6P.jpg
[link for porny art, illustrated]


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11. [SPOILERS for Twin Peaks]



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12. [SPOILERS for dangan ronpa, fire emblem awakening, pokemon special, and gatchaman crowds]



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13. [SPOILERS for Shingeki no Kyojin/Attack on Titan]



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14. [WARNING for abuse/incest/non-con]



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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Tell that to intersex people who identify as such. Tell that to non-intersex people who physically transition. Tell that to Australians who officially change their gender to "Other". Tell that to Germans, who no longer require parents of children with ambiguous genitalia to pick male or female gender for them and operate on their healthy bodies to make them resemble it, regardless of their will.

[(Anonymous)]

Tell that to non-intersex people who physically transition.

uh, what? trans people aren't non-binary, they just have a gender that doesn't match their physical sex.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of non-binary trans people transition too. Some genderqueer people even consider it a distincion between being actually genderqueer and being a cis person with non-standard gender presentation.

[(Anonymous)]

Intersex people are still male or female. People who physically transition are trans. That Australian thing is ridiculous and isn't proof that non-binary is actually real. The German thing has nothing to do with this.

[(Anonymous)]

Intersex people are not male OR female, they're male AND female and their gender is what they feel it is, not what you feel it should be. People who physically transition are trans alright, but they can be binary or non-binary so how does it prove anything? Germany has everything to do with it, it allows the very idea that people don't have to be male or female.

You do realize that the idea of more than two genders has existed in many, many cultures around the world for centuries? But of course, your culture is better than theirs, am I right?

[(Anonymous)]

Their sex is male and female but their gender is still male or female. Trans people are binary. It doesn't allow the idea that people don't have to be male or female. It means the parents don't get to choose their child's gender because it's not a choice.

Culture means nothing when it comes to biology.

[(Anonymous)]

Some intersex people identify as non-binary. Trans people are people who's gender doesn't match their body, so genderqueers do fit under this term, especially the ones who physically transition. I culture means nothing when it comes to biology, then intersex people can't be male or female, because biologically they're both.

Gender is cultural. Sex is biological. Sex is but one of the many, many variations in the human body. Some people are tall, others short. Some are white, others aren't. Some are born with deformities, others are healthy. Some are born with vaginas, others have penises and some others have ambiguous genitalia. That is the biological reality. But things like language, pronouns, the words you choose to describe yourself, the people you feel you have something in common with and the people you are identified with by others - all that is cultural and it affects our life very strongly in ways we don't even realize most of the time.

[(Anonymous)]

Gender is not cultural. Gender is biological. It's the "sex" of the brain. The default brain is female. If testosterone is present while it's developing then the brain becomes male. There is no in-between. The differences in the brain is so that the brain can recognize a male or female body. If the gender and sex don't match then there is dysphoria because the brain expects there to be different genitalia. If there is no dysphoria then it means the gender and sex are the same and the person is cis.

"Non-binary" people don't identify with both or no genders; they identify with both or no gender roles. Gender roles are cultural. The way people choose to describe or express themselves does not change their gender.

[(Anonymous)]

1. If that's the case, then how do you explain the fact that some people with CAIS, whose bodies don't recognize, produce or react to testosterone, have male identity?

2. If it's all about the presence of testosterone, then how come most people with CAH, whose bodies produce huge amounts of testosterone, have female identity?

3. Even if it's all down to testosterone, then the existence of non-binary people is entirely possible, assuming their brain received some small doses of testosterone, not enough to make them develop entirely male identity, but enough to disconnect them from a female identity.

4. If gender is in the brain, then please tell me how does it manifest itself? Can we see the difference between men and women in their abilities? Say, all men without exception are naturally better than all women at math? Nope. Then perhaps the differnece is in their personalities and all women are naturally more nurturing than all men? Again, no. Then does the difference manifest itself in the deep and strong feeling of belonging to one's gender? The existence of genderqueer people proves that it's not the case. Alright, so maybe it manifests itself through body dysphoria? Again, genderqueer people prove that you can have dysphoria and not identify as male or female. So then please tell me: how do tell someone's gender?

5. If body dysphoria was all there was to gender, then how come FTM's having breat reduction surgery don't view it in the same way as cis women having breat enlargement surgery? Why do trans people reject their assigned gender role, instead of viewing surgery as a purely aesthetic change? How come we don't see them argueing angrily that just changing one thing about their body doesn't mean that they're no longer women and they identify as women who simply prefer their chest flat and their genitalia dingly? How come genderqueer people also feel body dysphoria (the fact that I repeatedly stated in this thread, yet you still pretend to be ignorant of it, probably because it doesn't fit in with your worldview and you think that pretending this doesn't happen will make it stop happening)?

Face it, gender either isn't biological, or the biology of genderqueer people is different from the biology of cis or binary trans people. What's more, if binary gender was a real thing, then it would be possible to pinpoint at least one menatl trait that is present in all men without exception and not a single woman; as well one trait that is present in all women without exception, but not a single man. There is no such thing, therefore proving that the idea of gender being binary is bullcrap.