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⌈ Secret Post #2433 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Look, classic literature is sometimes not classic literature because it's a good story, but because they do something new and had some important effect. I hate most of Shakespeare's more popular plays (ROMEO AND JULIET I'M LOOKING AT YOU JESUS FUCKING CHRIST), but there's a few I like. That being said it is NOT necessary for you to like Shakespeare, it's perfectly okay. It's not like you're denying his cultural importance by having a personal preference.

For my part, I find it incredibly difficult to read Tolkein. I've tried for years to read LOTR, and the man loses me around Tom Bombadil every. Fucking. Time. I understand the man didn't want to write a sequel to LOTR because it would have been too depressing, but based on what little I do know if it I think it would have been right up my alley. Different strokes, anon. The world would be a boring, shitty place if we all had the same opinion.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I agree with you on Romeo and Juliet. Dear Eru, Primus and Chuck! That play is the most depressing thing ever! It's worse IMO than Hamlet and Macbeth!

Of course, I hate unhappy endings in romance stories, and I'm not a huge fan of tragedies in general. My favourite Shakespeare play is A Midsummer Night's Dream.

[cassandraoftroy]

I definitely agree with you about Midsummer. Schools should teach that one more often (and explain all the dirty bits) -- you'd end up with a lot more Shakespeare fans that way.

[(Anonymous)]

But midsummer nights dream is really, really creepy if you look at it very hard, and not so much fun

[cassandraoftroy]

That's a matter of opinion. You are not obligated to like it.

[(Anonymous)]

It's probably my favorite too if I don't think too hard about it, but Oberon drugs Titania into screwing Bottom so she'll be distracted and he can take the kid she's raising.

[cassandraoftroy]

Whether or not they have sex isn't explicit, but either way, they're faeries. Faeries are typically portrayed as Chaotic Neutral at best, so I don't really expect them to be depicted as having human morality. I still think Oberon is an ass, but I don't find his behavior nearly as disturbing as I would if he and Titania were humans, who are expected to understand what morals and consent are.

[fae_boleyn]

I keep meaning to get around to Shakespeare's history and comedy plays. We only read Romeo and Juliet (which I hated, though oddly enough I enjoyed it weaved into the plot of Shakespeare in Love, whatever that says about me), Macbeth (which I actually enjoyed), and Hamlet (which induced a lot of 'you idiot' reactions) in high school. College I tested out of English, and honestly I wanted to leave Shakespeare alone a while after having been obligated to read it. Now, though...

Midsummer is a good place to begin, then?

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I'd say go with Midsummer first, then move on to some of the other comedies, including Much Ado About Nothing, and Twelfth Night. At least those are the ones I know and love.

I'd say stay away from Taming of the Shrew if you get easily pissed at misogynistic issues, because some of the stuff in the main story of it... yrch. If you don't mind watching 90s teen movie though, watch Ten Thing I Hate About You. It's Taming of the Shrew in a modern (American) highschool setting.

[fae_boleyn]

I actually really like Ten Things, lol.

Duly noted, thanks for the advice!

[(Anonymous)]

I am a big Shakespeare fan, but I really dislike Midsummer. I think Julius Caesar is a good easy play. I always like the ones with lots of famous lines :)

Much Ado About Nothing is fun, I like the Kenneth Branagh film.

Also Othello, incredibly disturbing because it's about domestic violence, but so contemporary, Iago is a classic character. Can't say I like it in that it's so nasty, but it's themes are very universal, racism, jealousy, bitterness about people doing better than you etc.

I find going to see the plays much better than reading them.

[(Anonymous)]

My favourite Shakespeare play is definitely "Richard III" - it's all wrong from an historical point of view, but it makes a great story.

[(Anonymous)]

TOLKIEN-HATING ANON!!!!! I HAVE MISSED YOU SO

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, there's more than one. And people who can't get into Tolkien... can't get into Tolkien. I've tried many times to read Lord of The Rings - people kept telling me that Tolkien was "the godfather of fantasy," which I broadly agree with - but actually found reading Middlemarch a hell of a lot easier. Saying this as someone who loves swords and sorcery fantasy.

[(Anonymous)]

There was this one person who posted here a lot and any time literature was discussed, they'd be like 'for example, if you wrote a nigh-incomprehensible nature walk for 90000000 pages and only had three pages of actual plot vs exposition that you need to reference three other books for anyway...'

I hate Tolkien's writing style myself, and every time I saw them post I was so happy because... IDK, man. I just found their dogged and unerringly Javert-like hatred for Tolkien super super endearing.

[(Anonymous)]

Out of curiosity, what do you think the sequel to LOTR would have been like?

[(Anonymous)]

Bombadil sucks. Skip him, skim over to the part where they get to Bree.

Trust me, you won't miss much. At all.

[(Anonymous)]

The only thing you need to know from the Bombadil bit is that he helps them find magic swords of later plot relevance.

That is it, you're done.