[ SECRET POST #2433 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2433 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I fully agree, tbh. It's not considered acceptable in SPN fandom these days but I've never understood why Dean's deal is considered selfish by any standard. There's very little less selfish than giving up your life to save someone else. And for those saying that he was making Sam deal with the fact that Dean would be suffering in Hell, keep in mind that Dean had every intention of lying to Sam about it. He didn't want Sam to know.

People are so quick to call Dean selfish for making his deal, it drives me crazy. Especially since it seems to ignore the fact that Dean's got an incredibly shitty sense of self - he really is selfless, particularly towards the start of the show. He had very little idea of things he might want for himself and things he might actually like as Dean Winchester, not like because John had liked them or Sam liked them or whatever. He's gained a sense of identity since then but it wasn't really until S8 that his sense of self had anything other than massive amounts of guilt and self loathing and need to protect others.

The thing is, Dean's deal was selfless. It's a deconstruction of the classic trope of someone selflessly giving themselves up to save someone else. Dean is selfless and it's a very very bad thing.

[(Anonymous)]

He wasn't thinking about himself, he just wasn't thinking about anyone else, either. While this is technically selfless, I'm not sure it meets the definition of the word as it is usually used.

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ayrt

He was thinking of someone else. He was thinking of Sam. It's just that he was thinking of Sam from his own particular, warped sense of view. Dean, especially S1-S2!Dean, had this whole mentality that Sam and John didn't need him the same way that he needed them, remember? He might have been devastated at Sam and John's deaths but he truly had no concept that they would have been equally devastated at his own.

It's still selfless, it's just another sign of how incredibly unhealthy and damaging this sort of selfless behavior can be.

[luxshine]

This.

Dean didn't mean for Sam to know, and he would've managed that if it wasn't for the guy who killed Sam in the first place seeing Sam and commenting about that.

When Dean made his deal, he was one hundred percent convinced that no one was going to miss him, and that his life wasn't as valuable as Sam's. His thinking track was probably pretty much 'Probably Sam will miss me, but he'll live. And he'll go back to his normal life, and he'll be happy and that's ok with me'.

[(Anonymous)]

It kind of seems like it would be hard to avoid Sam finding out eventually.

But basically, yeah. Not a rational decision.