[ SECRET POST #2436 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2436 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Book Thief, The Days of the Deer, Neil Gaiman's Sandman]


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02.
[Macklemore & Ryan Lewis]


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03.
[The Glades]


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04.
[Revenge]


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05.
[The Killing (AMC)]


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06.
[Star Trek]


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07.
[TRON: Uprising]


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08.
[Paul McCartney]


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09.
[Les Miserables]


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10.
[Mud by Yamashita Tomoko]


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11.
[The Beatles]


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[fscom]

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[The Book Thief, The Days of the Deer, Neil Gaiman's Sandman]

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is the covers of the books "The Book Thief" by Markus Zusak and "The Days of the Deer" by Liliana Bodoc. There is also an image of the character "Death" from the comic book "Sandman" by the writer Neil Gaiman. The cover of "The Book Thief" shows domino pieces lined up; "The days of the Deer" shows a golden shiny circular object, like a shield, possibly. And Death from "Sandman" looks like a young woman in a gothic style, with medium-long black hair, black gloves, black boots, pants, belt and top and a Christian cross hanging from a necklace. She is holding a black umbrella and letting it rest against her shoulder.]

I read "The Book Thief" in Spanish. Death was always referred to as "she", as it has always been in that language. So I pictured Death's voice as some cool, rough, ancient female voice. Besides that, around that time, I read "The Days of the Deer" and "Sandman", were Death was female as well.

Now that The Book Thief is coming out, I know that Death will have to have a male voice (as in the book) or at least a neutral one, and that above all things will damage my beautiful perception of the concept of Death. I don't even know why.

I know, "movies don't ruin books", cry moar, OP.

[vethica]

Sandman!Death's necklace is actually an ankh! Though I know it's a little hard to tell from that picture. :)

[transcriptanon]

o: oh

Thanks for telling me!

[helenadax]

I think of the Death as "she" in Spanish but I imagine her with a man's voice. Anyway, I'm okay with the Death being male, female, neutral or whatever.

[(Anonymous)]

Spanish is my first language, but I read the book in English and always thought of Death as a he.

Now I dunno if that's because I immediately picture Death from SPN or what xD

[kaijinscendre]

So Death IS confirmed in the book version? Sweet.

[kelincihutan]

Who says movies don't ruin books? They absolutely do sometimes. Films and books are different mediums. What works in one doesn't always work in another.

[(Anonymous)]

It's more that a bad movie adaptation doesn't somehow retroactively ruin the book version, not that there can't be bad movie adaptations.

[kelincihutan]

But that's assuming that the bad movie adaptation is not memorable and does not override your initially constructed mental versions of the book, which--for many to most people--is not a safe assumption. It may not alter the objective goodness or badness of the book but it can certainly wreak havoc on a lot of people's ability to enjoy that book, which is the tantamount to the same thing in practice.

da

[(Anonymous)]

agreed

to take one popular example, I can't see the characters I first imagined when reading the Harry Potter books; instead I see the actors for the movies, and their characterizations

like, now it really disappoints me when I get to scenes with Snape, whereas before I just thought "damn, this dude is nasty, poor Harry, okay, let's keep reading", now I think "he could have been a taaad more likeable and mature and still serve the same role, cannot unsee what could have been, thanks Rickman!"

[(Anonymous)]

No, it is not the same thing. If you're that irrational and weak-willed you shouldn't be allowed near anything in the first place.

[kelincihutan]

Same thing in practice is not the same as "same." If your reading comprehension is this poor, it's no surprise you prefer movies. Do you honestly know this little about the difference between how visual and verbal information is processed--not to mention memory formation--or are you some movie industry hack desperately trying to defend your involvement with the Percy Jackson franchise?

[(Anonymous)]

It is not the same, period. Maybe it's because I'm not so feeble-minded to let an adaptation OMG RUIN my imagination, and if you are, it is you who is defective. Also nice projection there, since I never said I "prefer" anything; for all your trying to sound academic you're just another prejudiced idiot.

[kelincihutan]

So, movie industry hack, then. I guess you've been burned at the box office lately. That must be tough.

(No, you don't get a real response. Someone know clearly knows so little about how the human brain functions but tries to engage in debates about it anyway does not deserve one.)

[(Anonymous)]

I like how you jumped to the assumption that this person must prefer movies to books and must be an industry hack simply because they disagreed with you.

Sure, they give short shrift to how the brain processes information and they're over-the-top. But you've also responded in a completely irrational and over-the-top way and built a ludicrous strawman.

Neither of you should be debating, if this idiotic back-and-forth could even be termed a "debate." You're both incapable of entertaining the idea that you might be wrong, and you both act like children when confronted with someone who thinks differently from you.

[(Anonymous)]

Just wanted to say that seeing La Saga de los Confines (Saga of the Borderlands?) here in Fandom Secrets have made me my day!! This book's representation of Death is one of my favourites.

[(Anonymous)]

I also read that book in Spanish a while ago, but I didn't remember that particular detail about death's gender.

While I do tend to picture death as a feminine concept (as a native Spanish speaker), I find interesting the works when it is presented as a male, because picturing death as male, while having the feminine concept at the same time in my head, helps me visualize death as this incorporeal, untouchable concept (I don't know if I'm making any sense).

But, if you want to read another good book with death as a misterious, ethereal woman, I can reccomend you "La dama del alba" by Alejandro Casona. In that play Death is a pale, beautiful lady, who has to fight having the emotions of a woman while at the same time being condemned to kill everyone for eternity (a favorite of mine!)

[(Anonymous)]

This secret is so interesting to me. You're right, "death" in Spanish is a feminine noun, so there'd be no conceivable reason to refer to "la Muerte" as a he, but at the same time, that is a pretty HUGE difference to someone reading the book in Spanish and not knowing about the original English version and then watching the movie (subtitled, I suppose) and finding out the voice is male. That changes your whole perception of a character! It's not often that the language barrier inadvertently affects a work in such a major way.

It's also interesting (except not really) that in English the default assumption was to make Death male.

More to the point: Sorry about that, OP. Your version of Death sounds much more compelling.

[(Anonymous)]

oh my

[(Anonymous)]

You sound whiny and petty. Not to mention stupid, as there's plenty other media you could've read where Death is whatever the author wants it to be, and rather than think with your own head, you act like a spineless idiot.
Cry moar indeed.

[(Anonymous)]

Careful, buddy, you'll give yourself an ulcer.

[(Anonymous)]

Should have done it the way Pratchett's French translator did it, aka have Death be male, with a footnote explaining why in every book... except the last ones, where the footnote just says something to the effect that 'oh, you know about that now.'

other book

[(Anonymous)]

what is this book that looks like a dance with dragons?

Re: other book

[(Anonymous)]

The Days of the Deer by Liliana Bodoc. It's fantasy with native americans.