[ SECRET POST #2437 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2437 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't have the time to address everything you said here, but about the part where straight women just find m/m hotter and also claim that the female characters are less interesting.

Now I'm a straight women with pretty much zero sexual interest in women. Per default, I ship m/m because I find it waaay hotter. I admit freely that I will ship ridiculously unimportant minor characters even if they're written poorly. Why? Because they're hot and I'm very willing to give that pairing a shot.

When it comes to het, I'm pickier. Because I generally find het less appealing than m/m, so "woah two hot dudes with chemistry" can get me to ship something, but "hot dude and hot girl with chemistry" is not enough to get me invested. That's why I only ship het when I love the female and the male character a lot and find their relationship intriguing.

You can look at it that way. Imagine that you REALLY REALLY LOVE CHOCOLATE CAKE and sort of like lemon cake. You will eat even mediocre chocolate cake because you looooooooooove chocolate cake in all its forms. However, it takes really excellent lemon cake to make you like lemon cake. It's like that with many straight women - slash is their chocolate cake, het is their lemon cake.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, this is perfect.

[lieu]

but no one is talking about het... this secret was about femslash...?

and i realize this is the case! it makes sense, from a logical perspective, that people will enjoy imagining two characters banging whom they are attracted to. it's when people start pulling out a whole bunch of other excuses about how women aren't "written well" or "don't have enough chemistry with each other" or "women in fiction never have complex relationships with each other enough to fuel shipping" or "there aren't likable enough female characters for me to get attached" when, like you said, you (and many others i'm sure) "will ship ridiculously unimportant minor characters even if they're written poorly." like, i just find it really hard to believe the so-called lack of interesting female characters or characters who have chemistry (the presence of female characters in media, by the way, can always be improved but is definitely overstated by fandom at the current time) is fueling the extreme disproportional representation of m/m in a world where clint/coulson is a hugely popular pairing, you know? like if ship it because you get off to it, just say it. no shame. it's when people start hiding behind bs defensive arguments over the comparative ~deep compelling romantic possibilities of their slash ships that don't exist between female characters~ that i start rolling my eyes

this reply might make minimal sense because im too tired to proofread

[(Anonymous)]

DA

You keep assuming that all people who think women are written badly also go on to ship things like Clint/Coulson. Why? I do believe a lot of women are written to be pretty flat in a lot of badly written series. I do not ship Clint/Coulson because there's nothing there to ship. Some of us do have the same standards for all characters. If you don't you're a hypocrite, but stop making it sound like all people who say one must also say the other just because they like slash.

Just... what the fuck is this, where in this thread did anybody go "female characters are poorly written but mmm-mmm I love me some Clint/Coulson?" The large large majority are simply giving their reasons why they don't like femslash and you are the one assuming everything about their preference in slash ships???

[(Anonymous)]

SA

The anon you're replying to isn't even touching on how characters are written or chemistry or anything, only saying they are less interesting to her. So ??? where do you see "female characters are badly written but I am a hypocrite and like Clint/Coulson" in this thread?

[lieu]

The anon you're replying to isn't even touching on how characters are written or chemistry or anything

umm

-> "woah two hot dudes with chemistry" can get me to ship something, but "hot dude and hot girl with chemistry" is not enough to get me invested.

so like, apart from how you apparently didn't read ayrt's comment, i used clint/coulson as an example because ayrt said "ridiculously unimportant minor characters even if they're written poorly" and someone else in the thread had mentioned clint/coulson, which isn't exactly the same seeing as they're not quite minor characters and i don't know enough to comment on how well they're written, but is a ship founded entirely on the thought process of "this doesn't make sense really but it's hot and cute!!!" and is also a well known example of a nonsensical yet popular slash ship similar to what ayrt was describing. i started talking about poorly written female characters because ayrt mentioned shipping poorly written male characters (and not doing the same for female characters.) i'm not pulling this shit from thin air.

[(Anonymous)]

Your logic is flawed in so many places. It's also funny how you keep trying to shame female slashers because they have a preference for their smut.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I feel the same about het and femslash, I should have mentioned that instead of just saying het, sorry.

It's not only excuses, though. What people mean when they say that those women aren't written well is that they aren't written well ENOUGH to make people overcome their original preference for slash over het or femslash. As I said, it takes AMAZING female characters with AMAZING chemistry for me to go like "oh, I don't really find femslash (or het) hot, but this is just too interesting, I'm going to read it anyway." And we unfortunately live in a world where there are relatively few shows/movies/books that focus heavily on relationships with women. A lot of female characters out there are are more likely to have meaningful relationships with men, which easily explains why there's a lot more het than femslash out there.

Also, not ALL popular slash ships are like Clint/Coulson and have about zero canon basis. A lot of popular slash ships are actually about two men who have very intense, meaningful relationships in canon (both Dean/Cas and Dean/Sam from Supernatural come to mind - whether you ship it or not, you can't really deny that they have EXTREMELY close, complicated relationships). So it's not all "lol two hot dudes I want them to bang".