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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-09-04 06:59 pm

[ SECRET POST #2437 ]


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(Anonymous) 2013-09-05 08:05 am (UTC)(link)
You probably won't read this (I'm always late, therefore usually ignored here) but I have to tell you how much I like your "main statement", and how much I disagree with your reasoning.

"we are socialized, as human beings, to value the narratives of men more highly than we do women"

I absolutely agree with this statement. It's very unfortunate, but I believe this will change.

However, I don't really get your first paragraph. Why should fandom, as in a "diverse group of people sharing a (sometimes just slightly) more than average interest in one specific movie/book/tv-show/other form of media" have a single one specific reason to like anything? "Liking men" and "not having enough women to ship/choose from" [I ignored the "well-written" criteria, I don't really believe in "not well-written women", for me that translates to "not well-written source material"] are the most common reasons, but individual fans can have different reasons. (And I strongly suspect that "liking men" and "ending up with fandoms where there's only one woman in the main cast" somehow correlates.)

So, answering your question (like, which is it, slash fandom?): for lot of us "this", and for another lot of us "that", and for some of us "both" (because that exists too), and for some of us "neither", because we have our very own specific reasons; and for even more of us a third option we would never ever ever admit, and for *even* more of us, it's your reason I agreed above, but we don't realize it, and some of these reasons peacefully coexists in our mind. And I really don't get how the what this is not evident.

(For me it's a big dose of "I like men", a little smaller dose of "not enough women", a very big dose of "the women are rarely written in those particular situations/relationships I like to base my ships on, and when they are, they are paired with men and I end up shipping het... again" (and this is one part where your statement about male-centric narration comes into play), and there's even a small dose of "oh, it's just habit by now", unfortunately there's a smaller and smaller and smaller dose of internalised misogyny, and there are other smaller, often fandom/pairing-specific reasons not worth mentioning.)

tl!dr: You have a valid observation about one possible reason, but that doesn't mean that everybody in fandom has the same reason, doesn't matter how utterly/beautifully/world-clarifyingly logical it is.