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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-09-05 06:24 pm

[ SECRET POST #2438 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2438 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2013-09-05 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
On the other hand, Penny was never actually meant to be a strong character; she was always a plot device with barely any agency, from the very beginning, because the entire story was about twenty minutes long and had musical numbers, so everyone but the main character was a broad-strokes sketch. Was it a poor choice from a feminist perspective? Yes. Was it working within the tropes of the genre he was riffing on? Also yes.

The other characters he's killed (and boy, does Joss love killing characters) were fully-realized individuals with agency and goals of their own, so we felt sad for their own sakes when they died. Penny may as well have been a girl-shaped paper doll from the get-go, so it was always going to be about Billy.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-05 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
But narrowing the criticism down to Penny seems ridiculous to me. As you said the focus was Billy, music, and barely any dialogue for like 45 minutes in total. NO ONE was going to ever have full character development, arguably including Billy himself. Other than his interest in Penny, what did he have going on? Wanting to be a villain? Why? One line about wanting to rule the world isn't character development. Everyone was two dimensional, everyone played on stereotypes, and the main focus was music and one big emotional moment. Yet people seem INSISTENT on focusing ONLY on Penny being underdeveloped. SO WHAT? EVERYONE WAS. How would you fix that, really? She had a personality, goals separate from the men in her life, and realistically fell for some one who she hoped the best of and turned out to be a jerk. Arguably she had better depth than anyone on that show.