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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-09-09 06:40 pm

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chardmonster: (Default)

Re: why is pansexuality ok and demisexuality not?

[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-09-10 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
Oh! Okay.

But are you sure this is how people in the broader world (i.e. not just internet fan communities) are defining bisexuality?

I consider myself bisexual and I don't rule out trans people for dating. It just never came up.

Re: why is pansexuality ok and demisexuality not?

(Anonymous) 2013-09-10 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, more people in the broader world who do not know that genderqueer, genderfluid, intersex, and other non-binary individuals exist, also call themselves bisexual. This means they like cismen and ciswomen; I would say a large majority of them would not be entirely comfortable with a trans* or intersex individual.

Maybe the ones who are active in politics and academics and defining themselves might be. But they are not the norm and they are not the majority. Many, many people who are not involved in that sort of thing figure out that they are attracted to cismen and attracted to ciswomen, then come out as "bisexual" to everyone because that's what it means to the non-academic.

Re: why is pansexuality ok and demisexuality not?

(Anonymous) 2013-09-10 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
And...therefore their identity label is offensive?

Stop trying to relabel people. Please. If I suddenly told queer people to stop calling themselves that and call themselves anomalous instead, I'd get run out of town. If I told trans (or trans*, whichever you please) people to call themselves adjusts the same would happen.

I'm bi. The love of my life is MTF. She has no issue with me calling myself that.

And gender roles are so utterly engrained into our heads that most of the population isn't entirely comfortable around trans folks. The US makes cabaret shows in which its showcased as weird and wonderful. The UK has panto, where a man in drag is one of the main stock characters. Western society as a whole considers queer people to be a goddamn spectacle. But that doesn't mean that everyone who calls themselves bi is adhering to that and certainly doesn't mean their label should be erased except to be used ONLY by folks who are attracted to cis-gender people of either sex. -_-

Re: why is pansexuality ok and demisexuality not?

(Anonymous) 2013-09-10 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
No one in this thread is saying to change anything, only pointing out the misconceptions that exist and the people that help them to exist by buying into them. Everybody is getting offended all over for no reason y'all give me a headache

Re: why is pansexuality ok and demisexuality not?

(Anonymous) 2013-09-10 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
No. There are a LOT of people in these threads saying "bisexuality is a bad term and needs to be regulated to only people who are attracted to cisgender folks of both sexes".

Re: why is pansexuality ok and demisexuality not?

(Anonymous) 2013-09-10 11:35 am (UTC)(link)
Links please, i see none.

Re: why is pansexuality ok and demisexuality not?

(Anonymous) 2013-09-10 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

A lot of what saku has been saying seems to be this.
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Re: why is pansexuality ok and demisexuality not?

[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-09-10 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Nobody is obligated to call themselves something specific so it's easier for someone else to figure out if they'd be interested in fucking them.
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Re: why is pansexuality ok and demisexuality not?

[personal profile] arcadiaego 2013-09-10 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm confused as to what your point is - bisexuality is a more well known word, more people are transphobic than not therefore people shouldn't call themselves bisexual?

I would say a large majority of them would not be entirely comfortable with a trans* or intersex individual.

And? That doesn't change what the term means, it just means that they individually have certain attitudes.

I'm really enjoying the rampant biphobia in this thread by the way.