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fandomsecrets2013-09-09 06:40 pm
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Re: tw rape
(Anonymous) 2013-09-11 03:22 am (UTC)(link)It's not welcoming bisexuals that are the problem. Many are immensely supportive and have done great things for non-binary acceptance. It's the bigoted bisexuals who express phobia of non-binary individuals who are the problem, who do exist. And when people claim that bisexuality is supposed to be welcoming and so those bisexuals were just doing it wrong! and people who have been hurt by discrimination and abuse should accept it and embrace the label... that is a problem.
It's the exact same problem as people who try to claim 'womanists' and 'humanists' under the overarching label of 'feminist,' ignoring the, for example, classist and racist issues that those people have with the 'feminist' label because these issues aren't 'supposed' to exist. Feminism is 'supposed' to be an aracial, class-inclusive movement. But these issues do exist.
It's worse when, on top of all that, the feminists insinuate that the 'womanists' and 'humanists' are mislabeling themselves, don't know what they're talking about, or somehow going against the main goals of the movement by preferring a different label. They aren't. They're simply not comfortable doing it with that particular group and choosing to distance themselves. Many pansexuals I know distance themselves from bisexuality for the same reasons: they have been hurt by internal issues that exist.
Stating over and over that isn't how feminism or bisexuality is 'supposed' to work doesn't change the fact that this is how it does work in practice in a large enough portion of the time to drive so many people away, as evidenced all over this thread. Instead of blaming the people who were so driven away, perhaps scrutiny should be directed against those that did the driving.
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-11 03:34 am (UTC)(link)Re: tw rape
It's usually an MRA. I just think it's funny it always comes up. The womanism thing's totally valid. A lot of the "humanists" have a hilariously North America-centric view of the status of women, though.
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-11 03:37 am (UTC)(link)Or rather, I am a feminist who does not think people who choose to distance themselves from the movement are phobic or anti-feminist. I can admit to huge issues within the movement, and admit that the movement is not nearly the ideal. I call myself a feminist because I believe in its goals and I would love for it to be ideal. But I cannot blame those that choose to leave it because it has hurt them.
Re: tw rape
(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 03:46 am (UTC)(link)So why are bisexuals the only group that repeatedly, as a group, gets blamed for it?