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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-09-11 07:06 pm

[ SECRET POST #2444 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2444 ⌋

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[personal profile] feotakahari 2013-09-11 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, if nuns can marry Christ, then I don't have a problem with anyone who wants to marry, say, Zeus. (Though Hera might have a problem or two with that . . .) Though I agree, Loki is a pretty weird choice of religious devotion--he's not just a trickster, he's an out-and-out murderer.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-11 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Eh, he's not that bad for the mythology he's in. I mean, Odin incites human wars so he can stock up on undead warriors for the last battle. Loki's not exactly standing alone in that pantheon.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-12 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, Norse mythology has kind of a fucked up worldview.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-12 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
Don't marry Zeus. DO NOT marry Zeus. Hera will kill you, probably messily.

Actually don't meet Zeus.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-12 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
Never mind meet him. I wouldn't want to be female anywhere within a continent of the bastard. It's not like a lot of his lovers/victims ever had a choice in the matter, even before we get to the Hera-will-kill-you-messily part.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-12 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Marrying gods while still mortal yourself is usually bad for your health, regardless of the god in question. Not exclusively, of course, but usually. Marrying gods is often dangerous for other gods, let alone frail squishy humans.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-12 07:26 am (UTC)(link)
Depends on which version of the story you believe, and the reasons. I find the idea of 'marrying' Zeus rather offputting.

Baldr, regardless of who killed him, had to stay dead. He had to. It was foretold that he, Höðr, and Thor's kids would survive Ragnarök and become the gods of the next world. Baldr's death was the first link in the chain of events that would (will?) result in Ragnarök. Frigg's decision to make everything on the face of the planet weep to bring him back was partly motivated by self-preservation. Hel's realm was their safe place to ride out the twilight, as it were. If Baldr didn't remain dead, things would have either just... continued until something else figured out a way to re-kill him, or worse, broken irrevocably.

Loki's a trickster, yes, but he's also a force of nature and chaos and truth. Part of the reason the majority of the AEsir dislike him is that he shines light on the secrets they'd like to keep hidden or ignore, as in the Lokasenna (where he basically calls them out on all their crap). He won't let them just stagnate, and he won't let them break the essential rules-- Baldr's coming back from Hel's realm would go against the natural order of life and death, and held with a basic rule or two of the universe. Everything dies, and the dead stay dead. Nobody gets special treatment in that regard. The chain that will result in Ragnarök must stay unbroken.

He may be a murderer, many gods have killed many humans, and other gods. Loki is also a protector. There's a story of a child that a giant was going to kill (or eat?). The child's parents called on Odin, who failed, essentially shrugged, and fucked off, and some other god (Thor?), who failed, essentially shrugged, and fucked off, and then Loki. Who succeeds in protecting the child and killing the giant.

And let's not forget that every single aesir out there immediately blames Loki whenever anything goes wrong, which usually results in his getting beat all to shit-- in the case of the Mjolnir thing, basically until Odin got tired of watching his blood brother get beaten half to death before piping up about how no, one of his ravens saw it, it was the king of the jotnar. And then Loki helps the person who was beating him to death get it back.
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[personal profile] arcadiaego 2013-09-12 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Also depends whether you believe the theory that his personality changes so drastically because Christianity kept adding bits to make him sound more like Satan. But yeah, regardless, a lot of people are assholes in the Norse myths and are really really awful to Loki as well. Not to get all 'Loki is a woobie' because he isn't but they're violent stories. And as you quite rightly say, apart from all that he provides a necessary function.

Wouldn't want to be married to him though.