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⌈ Secret Post #2444 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

SA

But if a fandom is nominated and only the person who nominated it knows it they won't be able to get anything of that fandom even if they request it in the signs ups.

And if the worst case scenario were to happen and someone requested all the fandoms they nominated but nothing else and no one else offers those fandoms, what would happen then?

The only thing I know about Yuletide is that it's an exchange of small fandoms and by the things I have seen, some of these fandoms are really obscure so finding a match for that would be hard.
That's why, unless I'm missing something here, I really don't get why rules that ensure they'll be able to match everyone and reduce the work load would be an issue.

[(Anonymous)]

It does happen that you nominate a fandom that's super obscure and you just kind of hope that someone will see it and offer to write for it. Doesn't always happen, obviously. That's why you nominate more than 1 fandom, and that's also why you're required to offer to write for a minimum number of different fandoms.

If someone doesn't get matched on fandoms (which is happening with an increasing frequency) they go out for 'pinch hit' - which means they're sent out on a mailing list and anyone who wants to 'grab' their request (which will include all of their requests) can go ahead and write for them. This guarantees everyone will get a fic in one of their selected fandoms. Pinch hitting is actually very popular. If you're on the mailing list and see a pinch hit you wanna grab... you've gotta get it quickly (sometimes within minutes of it going out) or someone else is likely to have snagged it.

The reason that people don't like this 2 people to nominate rule is that it really would've limited the number of fandoms. Say you have 100 people who each get 4 different fandoms to nominate. That's 400 different fandoms (not saying their wouldn't be duplicates, but participants in Yuletide tend to organize pretty heavily ahead of time with regards to what fandoms they're going to nominate) - if 2 people have to nominate, that pretty much cuts the fandom field in half. To a lot of people who participate in Yuletide that felt like going against the spirit of the whole thing...

Yuletide is its own rather crazy fandom, tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Thanks for the explanation.

TBH, that all sounds like a mod's nightmare, specially if the not-match thing is increasing. Pinch hitting being popular doesn't make it better, because then, doesn't that makes Yuletide closer to a (very active and focused on small fandoms) annual request meme instead of an actual exchange?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - I'm just a participant so I can't really speak to the difficulty for the mods (though I'd agree that's it's gotta be ridiculously time-consuming).

And, again, I can't speak to actual numbers (though I'm sure they can be found somewhere) but the large majority of participants DO get matched. The Pinch Hits for the # of unmatched people last year was apparently around 50 people (I don't know how many participants there were total - but over a thousand). So it's really not that many who fall into that category.

Where Pinch Hitting really gets popular is as the process moves along and participants start to drop off for various reasons (there's a date you can default by) - their recipients will get sent out for Pinch Hitting.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

...Not gonna lie, if that's how it's set up and [from what you've said] there are a butt load of fandoms -ante including a ton that don't get matched [whatever you say, 50 people is still a lot to not be matched and do extra legwork to get a match for] I honestly feel way more sympathy for the mods than the OP.

Granted all the "BUT!" complaining comments didn't hurt in that since...really. It sounds like the mods do a buttload of work for something they receive little benefit from, and people are complaining because they may want to cut down their workload a little? That's...just not cool.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Oh - I agree. It's got to be a HUGE time-sink for the mods. And considering that people can be pretty vicious towards them for not being able to make upwards of 2000 people happy... It seems a pretty thankless job at times as well. I may not like all the changes or decisions all the time, but I also understand that there's no making everyone happy - someone's always gonna end up feeling left-out or persecuted or what have you - and I sure as hell wouldn't want to do it myself, so I'm pretty damn appreciative that these people CARE enough to spend their time on this.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

For me the 2 nomination issue was that I never request the same things I offer. Traditionally you've been able to nominate 3-4 things, request 3-4 things and offer 8-10 (used to be a LOT more but that got messy). For someone like myself, it's already a sure thing that I'm going to hope there's enough nominated outside of what I nominated. But then to introduce the twice nominated thing? Well now I've got to either hope someone else nominates the things I nominate or organize with others to cover my fandoms. Even if I offered and requested the same things, I'd still run the risk of none of my nominations making it through if no one else seconds any of my four.

I'm quite glad they rescinded the rule, though I understand the nominations list is ridiculous every year.

Also, nominate no longer looks like a real word.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - You know, I really hadn't given the whole 2 nominations idea too much thought because by the time I saw that post the idea had already been scrapped. I'm sort of in the middle of the road on what I offer vs. what I nominate. Sometimes there's overlap, but sometimes those lists are wildly different. So yeah, I can definitely see your point about why the 2 noms rule would've been hugely problematic. I also get a little anxious about the whole 'coordinating' my fandoms with people ahead of time, so the thought of having to do that was a bit... uncomfortable.

LOL - yeah, my brain keeps making me spell nominate wrong. I think because it doesn't recognize it any more...