[ SECRET POST #2444 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2444 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

So, it's not exactly about making sure that 2 people nominate the same fandom. It's more that you make your nominations (which do NOT have to match your requests) and you hope that someone will see a fandom you nominated and offer to write for it. The issue with this 'need 2 people to nominate' is that it would've meant that a lot of fandoms wouldn't have been included. There are always fandoms that are nominated that never have stories written for them. Does that make sense?

I can understand the reason for the idea - because every year it seems that people are reaching further and further for the most obscure fandoms that they can and because of people organizing beforehand regarding what fandoms they're going to nominate - the field of fandoms is getting huge and unwieldy and that makes matching even more difficult (for example if Person A knows that Person B is going to nominate fandoms X, Y & Z they won't 'waste' their nominations on those and will instead nominate D, E & F). I'm glad they decided against doing this though. I like the idea of increasing the amount of fandoms you can offer to write much better.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Thanks for the explanation, between this and the one the other anon gave me I'm starting to get it.

Even so, wouldn't increasing the number of nominations per person and keeping a list of nominated fandoms take care of that issue?

After all, someone who would offer something for a fandom if they see it probably would nominate it too if they see it needs another vote and would both make matching easier and allow many fandoms at the same time.

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AYRT (who is the same as above Anon)

So... this is where I get fuzzy on things. I think the issue is that people are really um... possessive (not exactly the right word) of their nominations and while I'm sure there would be cross-over to some extent, some people really want those super obscure fandoms that it would be really difficult to get a 2nd nomination for. And since people kind of look to Yuletide as their only chance to get gifted fic in some of these really rare fandoms, they don't want to be limited. That's why people felt this 'need 2 nominations' rule went against the spirit of the event.

The actual list of nominated and accepted fandoms doesn't get released until after nominations are closed. Although participants do create spreadsheets and stuff to keep it as organized as they can so people don't 'waste' their nominations (ie: nominate a fandom that someone else has already nominated).

Again... I'm not the best to explain this. I don't necessarily have my head wrapped around it all. LOL There's wank every year surrounding the rules of Yuletide and the nominations process and fandoms that are allowed/aren't allowed... It's just kind of part and parcel of Yuletide. In the end though, Yuletide is generally pretty successful.

[silverr]

I think part of the problem with the 2 rule was that an individual can only nominate 4 fandoms. ~

Let's say. for simplicity, that you're only nominating things you either want to offer or request. If you're the only person who nominated 3 of the 4, not only have you "wasted" 3 nomination spots, but you've increased the chance that you'll be the only one asking for/offering those 3.

A post from today noted that last year almost 3000 fandoms were nominated, but only 1600 of those actually wound up generating fics.

[(Anonymous)]

ARYT

Yes - that's another very good point about it. Thanks for breaking that down further for me. :D It's one of those things that I 'get' but was having trouble putting into words.

[silverr]

You're welcome.

(Actually, another way to avoid the "fandoms get offered but not requested" would be to replace the two phases of "Nominations" and "Requests/Offers" with a "Request Phase" and an "Offers Phase," meaning that EVERYTHING in the fandom pool had a request behind it. However, that's got a downside as well, as sometimes you don't know you want something until you see it offered :p

Yuletide: good cause, logistical nightmare.

[(Anonymous)]

Sounds like more than a *logistical* nightmare for the mods - particularly when there's only two of them.

[silverr]

It's not just two, though. There are two modding the comm, it's true, but I think there are least two more who'll help do the manual matching, and there is at least one talented programmer doing the back end on Ao3.