[ SECRET POST #2445 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2445 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Mike maybe but Gus is a full out sociopath who threatened to kill an infant.. Walt is still at the point where he refuses to hurt Hank even though Hank is a major obstacle. That's not the sign of someone who's pure evil.

[(Anonymous)]

Walt still has feelings for the people he has an emotional connection with, but with anyone else, he's a monster. The dude poisoned a kid, for god's sake.

[(Anonymous)]

If you had to choose between a kid getting a stomachache or you and your family being slaughtered by a drug kingpin, which would you choose?

[(Anonymous)]

Find a third option. It's not like he was forced to choose between A and B.

[(Anonymous)]

He pretty much was. He was going to have Saul's guy get him and his family out of the country with new identities but Skyler used the money.

[(Anonymous)]

Gus threatened. And we have never seen that he would. Walt HAS poisoned a child.

[(Anonymous)]

He non-fatally poisoned a child as a last alternative to save him and his family from being murdered. And we know that Gus was going to kill Hank.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

I'm forgetting how Brock's poisoning had to do with Gus, since you seem sure on this point I wonder if you can remind me...

[(Anonymous)]

Basically he needed Jesse's help to kill Gus, so Brock's poisoning was to make Jesse think that Gus had given him Ricin.

[(Anonymous)]

See, I was thinking that Brock's poison was more about Jesse but then with these comments I thought it was maybe more than that. But really it isn't. Ever since the beginning Walt has been trying to find ways to get Jesse to stay with him when Jesse wants out because of the horrible things that are happening. So I can't see this as a desperate measure. It's just another thing he's done to keep Jesse at his side. A desperate thing is something that is done as a last resort, not something that takes time like poisoning a barely related third party. This is too much planning to be so desperate. And it was a toxin he hadn't ever used before or dosed, so it was very fortunate that the child didn't die but he easily could have. I think there are many other ways he could have convinced someone (maybe not even Jesse) to help against Gus. The fact that we don't think of them is because the show didn't present other options to us, because this is what Walt chose to do. But I don't think it was presented as the desperate action of a scared or desperate man, it was presented as Walt finally going to that next level down.

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AYRT

I would argue that Gus had some value as at least a very astute businessperson who held a complex organization together. He provided value (income, product, hell, even chicken) to many people and did it in a (relatively) safe and cohesive manner. Walt is just a steamroller out to benefit himself. At this point, one can't even argue he's trying to benefit his family.

[(Anonymous)]

That doesn't make him much different from a lot of mobsters and mafia figures who keep up public appearances.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

No, it just makes him a more respectable character than Walt.

[(Anonymous)]

He's also a more horrible person.

[(Anonymous)]

Because he worked on a grander scale?

[(Anonymous)]

Walt, even now, still has some degree of moral conflict over what he does. Gus never did. If Gus was in Walt's position Jesse and Hank would have been dead a long time ago.

[(Anonymous)]

Gus was cold, that's for sure. I think that made me see him as just ruthlessly efficient, which I can appreciate. I'm not sure I agree Jesse would be dead by now if Gus was in Walt's position because I think Gus would have managed the entire process better, but you're definitely right that Hank would be long gone.

[(Anonymous)]

Gus really does care about all the people who work under him, but he has to be ruthless in order to protect the entire family-- if it's one individual versus the entire family, he will sacrifice the one. He just doesn't lie to himself or others about the depths of his feelings the way Walt does.

Giancarlo Esposito on the Victor scene: "I found how I could not scar myself [while acting out this scene] was by understanding completely that Gus was doing something to protect the family. These chemists that he’s cultivated, the people that work for him, bodyguards, and everyone else, the people in the laundry, the people in the chicken place — he cares about them. So in order to protect them, he has to do this thing, because this person has been exposed, and he’s gotta take care of business to protect the family. http://www.vulture.com/2011/07/breaking_bads_giancarlo_esposi.html "

[(Anonymous)]

In the Breaking Bad Insider podcasts, even Vince Gilligan said he believed that Walt was a monster, and that by maintaining that "Family members are off limits" Walt is only trying to convince himself that he's still a moral person.

Indeed, Gus threatened to kill an infant, but it was only prompted by Walt provoking Gus after receiving the ultimatum of leaving the matter of Jesse and Hank alone; Walt kept prodding Gus along the lines of "Oh yeah, you can't kill me because of Jesse. So back off, or else you'll do what?" So, as Gus's initial empty threats were haughtily blown off, he then turned to more extreme threats

I'm sure that Gus would have followed through about killing Walt's family if need be, but I'm also sure he would have left the rest of Walt's family alone as promised, if Walt did what he was told. If Gus were a true monster, he could have just held Walt's family over his head and forced Walt to cook for him that way.

Also, Gus does in fact experience emotions; for starters, Gus started his whole war on the cartel because his lover was killed. Gus feels for those working under him--he resisted the cartel's demands and only gave in because one of his underlings was sniped to death, and he felt anger towards Walt for forcing Gus into the position to deport those cleaning ladies after Walt exposed them to the meth lab, he even knew the names of all his employees whereas Walt couldn't even remember Badger and Combo (who died largely thanks to Walt's orders!)-- But Gus understands the necessity of sacrificing the individual for the sake of the whole; Gus was furious that he had to kill Victor but he did it himself to protect the entire "family".

Gus cares. He is cold and professional and he has to be ruthless for the sake of the larger whole, but he cares. He just doesn't lie to himself or others about the depths of it the way Walt does.

Tl;dr- Gus isn't as unfeeling as you think, just because he doesn't outwardly show it; and Walt is less authentic than you may think, just because he acts that way.

[(Anonymous)]

SA
(Oops, replied to the wrong comment! Oh well)