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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-09-13 07:00 pm

[ SECRET POST #2446 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2446 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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04. [WARNING for gore, blood, etc]

[How To Train Your Dragon]


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[Fall Out Boy's "The Phoenix"]


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(Anonymous) 2013-09-13 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
DONGLEGATTTEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

(Anonymous) 2013-09-14 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
am I missing some information about dongles that I should know?

(Anonymous) 2013-09-14 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
A pair of jocks at a tech conference were caught making a series of ever cruder jokes, that included one about dongles, and really offensive remarks. Got publicly shamed for acting like fratboys on their company's dime and time and then got fired. A load of MRAs and gamerdudebros try to just focus on the dongle-joke part and ignore the rest of it. Moral of the story, at a tech conference don't act like a frat guy.

Also in a superb bit of victim blaming, the woman who reported them also got fired. Although to be fair going straight to social media before giving the conference a heads up to try and do something was a bit of a stupid move on her part. If she'd gone to the conference staff and they'd done nothing, then she'd have been fully justified.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-14 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, you're conveniently leaving out the parts where the woman in question was eavesdropping on the mens' conversation, which was not directed at her or any other woman, and could easily have turned around and asked the guys to tone it down OR moved to another seat. Sorry, but there was no "victim" until she decided to throw a hissy fit and got everybody in trouble.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-14 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
She wasn't eavesdropping. She was sat in front of them while they talked loudly. If you are having a conversation in an auditorium then people sitting in front of you overhearing is not eavesdropping.

Also she absolutely should not have confronted them herself in any way shape nor form. That is an unsafe recommendation. She should have talked to convention security or organizers and let them take care of it. Nor should she have had to move due to their inappropriate conversations, they had a duty while representing their employers not to talk like that.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-14 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
"unsafe recommendation" what pure bullshit. What could they have done? Called her a mean name? OMG that would be the absolute worst thing EVER, she's have DIED!!!1!!

Please stop with the fear-mongering. If you want to live cowering in fear of your own shadow, that's your problem, but don't try to foist your deficiencies on other women.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-14 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
And just because you overhear something, deliberately or not, does not make it your business.

"Unsafe"? What were they going to do, leap over the chairs and attack her in a public space for politely asking them to pipe down? Seriously? (Assuming this lady was in fact capable of politely asking anyone to do anything, which I have my doubts about, considering what she actually did do.) Whatever happened to having the courage of one's convictions? If she wasn't willing to take a very small risk to stand up for what she believed in, how strongly could she possibly have believed in it, and what right did she have to expect anyone else to do it for her?

And I hate to tell you, but the real world cares neither jack nor shit about what people think they should have to do. There's what you can do and what you choose to do, and that's pretty much it. I'll agree with you that involving security would have been a better response than bleating about it on the Internet, but asking the offending men to stop or moving her ass elsewhere (or better yet, ignoring the conversation that neither involved nor was directed at her) would have been the sanest, simplest, least drama- and wank-producing options.

Oh, there's also the small detail that the woman in question was known to make equally off-color remarks of her own, if not worse. Apparently bawdy humor is only offensive if a man indulges in it.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-14 09:53 am (UTC)(link)
Oh. Are you the "you were raped even though you say you weren't" anon? Because the "all men are potentially violent and rapists" fits right into that.

Also, saying "Don't behave like fratboys" works both ways - don't behave like a sneaky telltale. It's just as unprofessional.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-14 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Does anyone over the age of four really think "telltale" is a thing?

(Anonymous) 2013-09-14 02:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't behave like a sneaky telltale. It's just as unprofessional.

Yeah, no it's not. It's your job as an employee to report problems to your employer, even if the problems don't personally concern you. Where do you work where this isn't the case?

(Anonymous) 2013-09-14 03:01 pm (UTC)(link)
How the hell is it unsafe? They're just dorky tech guys. It is okay to talk to people in the real world.
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[personal profile] bringreligiontothewamwams 2013-09-14 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Basic advice for anyone at a professional convention is to never confront another attendee. Advice applies to males and females alike, you go to convention organizers or venue security and report it. There is an element of physical security, because you never know which wacko is one step away from going postal or might track you down later and take their frustrations out on you in some shadowy hallway, but mainly it is a professional safety so you don't get fired too if it all spirals out of control.

Note that the woman in question did not go to venue security but took matters into her own hands and did get herself fired along with the two guys who were dragging their company's reputations through the mud. behave like a fratboy in your own time, but on the company dime you behave like a professional dammit. If the woman in question had gone to venue security or convention organizers instead of (or at least before, if con sec did nothing) plastering it all over social media then she might still be employed.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-14 03:01 pm (UTC)(link)
YUP.