[ SECRET POST #2448 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2448 ⌋

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Comments

[pantswarrior]

Oh man. Reminds me of when I was on IRC some years back, one of the oldest in the room as usual, and this one guy said that anime fandom hadn't existed prior to the year 2000. So I told him about watching Sailor Moon on a local network affiliate in the mid-90s, and he said I had to be lying. I looked up dates, he said the websites were wrong, there was no way Sailor Moon or any other anime could have been airing in the mid-90s. I told him about the Sci-Fi Channel's anime weekends, watching Robot Carnival and Vampire Hunter D and Project A-ko... he said I was making it up. Again I looked up dates.

He was CONVINCED there was some kind of vast conspiracy to fool him into believing that there had been anime fans outside Japan before the year 2000. I even looked up dates and attendance counts for Otakon and AX, and he was like "BS! How did people even know about anime back then when there was no high-speed internet?" So I explained about fanzines and those technically illegal catalogs where you could order like 5th generation VHS fansubs, and he was just completely refusing to believe that it would ever have worked.

It was both hilarious and really sad.

[(Anonymous)]

Well I was a child in the 60s into the 70s and a big fan of Astro boy and various other Japanese anime shows, like Gigantor.

But I admit I don't know if there was such a thing as a fandom for them, but I wouldn't be surprised, there's been fandoms around as long as there's been any sort of artistic endeavour.

[pantswarrior]

Yeah, I didn't even go into, say, Voltron, which my friends and I watched and loved as a kid (born in late 70s, childhood memories are mostly the 80s), and at the time we didn't know it was Japanese. It was just a cool cartoon. I've heard other people my age or a little older got to see Robotech and Speed Racer on TV too, and had the same kind of thing going on - they just didn't even know it was any different than other cartoons, except maybe cooler and with better toys. ;)

But at any rate, AX has been running since 1992, apparently, and had close to 2000 attendees then, so it's pretty obvious that SOME kind of organized anime fandom had existed for awhile, even if many fans were unaware of it until the internet started facilitating things.

[reynardine]

I remember going to an anime con in Dallas in the mid-1980's (YamatoCon). There was an anime fandom back then. You could find other anime fans at comic shops, conventions, sci-fi clubs, etc. I was at university at the time. There was a lot more face-to-face networking back then. The internet makes things much easier and convenient!

[(Anonymous)]

My first AX was in 2000. I feel a little sad because I'm too old for it now even though I still watch some anime.

[forgottenjester]

The whole world is a conspiracy!

I wonder what kind of delusional world that guy lives in. It must be an interesting place.

[pantswarrior]

I actually had someone else in the channel get on my case for debating with him at length over this because allegedly he'd grown up in an abusive household and wasn't very good at reconciling worldviews that didn't match his expectations...

I was like "These aren't worldVIEWS, these are actual FACTS." If he'd tried to say the same things to people in fandom outside our channel, which was full of friends, they probably would have been a lot nastier about it than I was being with my "Actually, here's a site referencing the dates this series first aired. ...Okay, if you want more evidence, here's another site referencing the same dates." and so on. :/

[forgottenjester]

...that is some stupid ass shit. You'd think they'd be grateful you were being helpful and he didn't have to lose face in front of someone who would not have reacted as nicely.

Uuuuugggghhhh. I take it back. Not an interesting place to be.

[pantswarrior]

Yeah, the poor guy was not in a good place. And making him acknowledge that he was wrong about anime fandom's origins was pretty unimportant. But it also wasn't vitally important to his overall wellbeing that he feel like he was correct about something so trivial, so why NOT correct him, you know? It wasn't like I was trying to break him of lifelong bad habits he used for coping or something. :P

(But really, my channel was awesome, including the guy who got on my case for this. He also had some issues. We all had issues in some way - who doesn't? But we were friends and willing to deal with each other's issues.)

[forgottenjester]

Yeah, I get it.

(Ah, well at least you're all friends and whatnot.)

[littlestbirds]

that's hilarious

I've never been in anime fandom but I was crazy about sailor moon when it aired in 1995!

[pantswarrior]

I was sort of already an anime fan at that point, having been converted a few years prior when I stumbled across a copy of Akira at Blockbuster, and branched out into Ranma 1/2 and Tenchi Muyo... having it actually on TV was a marvelous novelty. And one of my best friends at the time had the worst crush on Sailor Jupiter. I was all about Sailor Mars, myself. ;)

Except then the more anime that got on TV, the more I started realizing that anime is just like every other form of watchable media for me - some of it is fun, a few titles are absolutely INCREDIBLE, but most of it is just meh. Something to pass the time at best. I'd fallen so far away from it that I hadn't really watched any new anime since 2004 until Tiger & Bunny came out a couple years ago. XD I have to admit I'm really curious to see what happens with the upcoming Sailor Moon reboot though, because ohhhhh the nostalgia.

[(Anonymous)]

Ahhh, I remember Saturday Morning Anime on Sci-Fi! The memories~

[(Anonymous)]

How sad that he refuses to broaden his mind a little.

I started watching anime in 1984, when I was four years old, but the real anime explosion started in the 90's. And I am pretty sure there was anime well before I was born...

[(Anonymous)]

Ha, it would probably fry his little brain to hear about the "Japanimation '86" tour I, as a travel agent, put together almost 30 years ago for the first group of North American anime fans to travel to Japan specifically for the purpose of touring studios, magazines, and shopping til they dropped. There were 32 of us, we ranged in age from 12 to about mid-40s, and we all made it back alive, with more Macross memorabilia than we thought existed in the whole wide world. Good times.

[(Anonymous)]

*takes a deep bow to you, lady*

[(Anonymous)]

Jeez, and the ninties isn't even that far back! How would he have coped if you mentioned something like Kimba the White Lion, which was destroying people's souls pre-internet, pre-vhs, when my area only had two channels) in the nineteen sixties.

[veronica_rich]

Fuck ME, I was watching "Speed Racer" in the early 70s before going off to kindergarten of a morning. If that's considered anime.