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Re: Hello, this is the previous poster, no longer an Anon
(Anonymous) 2013-09-22 04:11 am (UTC)(link)I have to say, it often doesn't seem like something that feminists really are fighting against. Sometimes it kind of seems like it only comes up when feminists are talking to MRA activists, frankly - especially the education thing. I'm not OP, and I would probably call myself a feminist, but I really think we've kind of given the game away on this one, because the truth is that I don't think we really have fought on any of these issues, except in the very broad sense of opposition to the patriarchy in general. The reason they are able to say these things is that these things have an innate plausibility to them.
I'm not disagreeing with anything in the rest of your quote (the point about women not being the enemy in particular), and I don't even know how problematic this is for feminism. I don't even really know what I'm saying, honestly.
Re: Hello, this is the previous poster, no longer an Anon
Maybe we just hang out with different kinds of feminist groups? Because I've seen this stuff discussed to death both in online and IRL groups. I'd know. I participate of several collectives that deal with gender, give workshops, go to protests and stuff, so no, I'm not just a "Tumblr Activist"/SJW.
The focus is usually, indeed, how the Patriarchy fucks women up, but the people I hang out with are more fond of talking about "Kyriarchy" - A word that encompasses inequality between sexes, genders, social classes, and race issues. So while we are mostly female and do talk more about our experiences as women (or queer individuals), we're no strangers to the damage that the Patriarchy/Kyriarchy does to men and our goal is to educate everyone in how said system(s) are keeping us down. We need men to work as allies, hand in hand with us! Nothing will be accomplished if half the population doesn't give a fuck about realizing the true price of their privilege and help us out.
PS: To clarify, we even have straight cis men in our collectives, and they aren't few. We ain't going to reject anyone willing to take a stand with us on these issues - more like the opposite.