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⌈ Secret Post #2455 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[fingalsanteater]

I've never seen AD, but I thought it was pretty well-liked? I should watch it so I can compare to IASIP (which is one if my favorite shows). If that's actually the case, though, it doesn't really seem fair.

There's something charming and likable about the cast and characters of IASIP despite their despicableness that, according to the person I just asked who has seen AD, AD lacks. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

[ghostofcairo]

There's something charming and likable about the cast and characters of IASIP despite their despicableness that, according to the person I just asked who has seen AD, AD lacks. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

I kind of feel the opposite, tbh. Don't get me wrong, I love IASIP but the characters are so over the top and just bizarre that while I find them incredibly amusing and entertaining I don't necessarily find them likable because they don't act like any people I've ever known. AD's characters are self-absorbed and awful people but in a more realistic way, imo. They act like actual human beings I've known and because they are somewhat relatable, they're automatically more likable, at least to me.

(This makes sense in my head but I have a cold and am feeling kind of fuzzy so hopefully it also makes sense to other people!)

[fingalsanteater]

That makes sense.

I wonder if the cartoonish nature of the IASIP characters helps their likability for some and hinders for others? There's this ill defined line where realistic characters/situations and cartoonish characters/situations meet, and some people prefer the escape of the unrealistic and insane versus a more relatable kind of awful. (There's also a balance between realistic and outrageous that should be maintained or you'll get tonality issues, but that's another post.)

[(Anonymous)]

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"I don't know what I was expecting"

[(Anonymous)]

It's interesting your friend says that, because I'd say it's the opposite. AD's characters are much more charming than IASIP's characters. They do have their likeable moments, even when they're at their worst.

IASIP's characters are just flat-out assholes. Which I love. But I can see why more people would be off-put by the show.


I can't help but wonder if the people who say AD's characters aren't likeable haven't watched much of it. It does take a while to get into the show imo. I got about 5-6 episodes in before the characters really clicked with me. But after that I ended up really loving the Bluths in all their bizarre, selfish glory.

[(Anonymous)]

Everyone loves Arrested Development. What are you talking about?

(I mean, for a fairly limited definition of "everyone", but you know what I mean)

Secret 4 - It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia, Arrested Development

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is two images, each one showing the main cast of the respective comedy TV shows "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia" and "Arrested Development".]

I love both of these shows. But it genuinely bothers me that It's Always Sunny gets praised for having such despicable, selfish, and lazy characters... yet Arrested Development was always critisized for being "unrelateable" because it revolves around despicable, selfish, and lazy characters. (And that's supposedly one reason it was originally cancelled).

They're both great shows, dammit!!

[(Anonymous)]

The critics loved Arrested Development. I hated it because I didn't find it funny and disliked the characters. Oh, wait, I feel the same way about It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Seriously, I tend to see the same people praising both or the same people disliking both. I don't really see IASIP getting more praise than AD anywhere. (If anything, I'd say it tends to skew a bit more in the other direction, as I know some people who like Arrested Development, but I don't know their feelings on IASIP.)

[(Anonymous)]

This and I love both shows. I feel like IASIP gets more shit than AD.

[(Anonymous)]

I could never get into AD, but I think that wasn't because it wasn't relatable because they were selfish characters or whatever. I think it was because I couldn't relate to the lifestyle they were coming from. I understand assholes from the city who throw beer bottles at a guy on a bike and shout outside your window at 1 in the morning because I've known people like that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, definitely agree with this. Could be a social class thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Laughing right now, because I do think a lot of the humor did indeed come from the lifestyle/social class thing. While I did think Arrested Development was kind of funny, watching (relatively) rich people whine about their lives made me want to punch something.

In IASIP, I found a lot of their actual problems to be pretty easy to relate to, and I think that's what endeared them to me.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never watched AD and never will for the very reason that from what I've heard about it, that's exactly what it is: a bunch of 'oh, whoa is me' from formerly rich jerks. We get enough of that IRL from currently rich jerks. And being completely unable to relate to either group of people, I'll give it a pass.

[(Anonymous)]

Rich people whining about their lives is what makes AD so funny to me. I always get a chuckle at Lindsay complaining about how poor they are when she realizes they no longer have a plane or yacht. It's ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

a lot of Arrested Development's humor comes from laughing at the upper class though. the whole show's basically one big joke at how selfish and clueless-to-social-issues the upper class can be. you don't really need to relate to it. (i'd argue that the show would be less funny if you were upper class).

[(Anonymous)]

They are very different shows with different atmospheres, different audiences in mind, and different styles. It's bizarre to even try and compare them.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 to this.
They are 2 of my favorite comedies and I couldn't chose between them because the comedy is so different. In both cases very vivid characters, but you've got dead baby comedy with IASIP, and heavily self-referential deep plot comedy for AD.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't know it ever got criticized for that, but if it did, it's possible because the AD characters are horrible in a more... realistic manner. The Always Sunny characters are over-the-top horrible. They're blatantly racist and misogynistic and exploit the poor and the homeless. They'd step over each other's dead bodies for a stick of gum. But on AD? It's a mix of "my relatives are nuts but at the end of the day I still love them".

When it's so over-the-top people just see it for what it is, pure ridiculous comedy. But when it's like AD, it's just relatable enough that it can be compared to other comedies where the characters are more human.

[rbhudson]

No one on either show is genuinely good or likable, that's what I love about it

[(Anonymous)]

My thoughts exactly!

In fact, I'm a bit surprised by how many people hate Michael in the fourth season because they think he has become a self-absorbed asshole. Michael was always a self-absorbed asshole. He just looks like less of an asshole compared to the rest of the Bluths. That's what makes him so funny. He thinks he's a great person, but he's not all that better than the rest of the Bluths.

[rbhudson]

Exactly! That's why for the longest time I thought maybe Larry David wrote for AD; all of the characters on Seinfeld are incredibly depraved, horrible people.

[(Anonymous)]

Never watched either of these shows, and now I have little interest in doing so... :yawn: more white peeps doing white peep stuff, rite? Are there any non-white characters who do more than deliver the mail or work at the white-characters' favorite restaurant?

[(Anonymous)]

Did you get lost on your way to a tumblr SJW blog? Of all the shows to call out for having a lack of diversity, you're really gonna single-out a comedy that is specifically made to mock the selfish, racist, WASP-ish, upper class?

I can't speak for It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia because I don't watch it. But calling out Arrested Development for not having a diverse cast is like calling out Downton Abbey for not having more Asians.

[(Anonymous)]

It ain't easy being white....