[ SECRET POST #2459 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2459 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Fuck no, it isn't. It's not homophobic to expect a slash pairing to be warned for either, that's pretty par of the course. Why would it be transphobic to expect to be warned when a character is going to be portrayed as trans? They're not more nor less special than anybody.

[(Anonymous)]

I am operating under the impression that there is a difference between a "warning" and a "tag" (or whatever general term you want to use for a general informative label for something). And it seems like you're more seeing 'warning' as just another term for that kind of informational labeling in general. So maybe that's more where the difference is coming from - different impressions of what we're talking about based on different understandings of the word "warn" versus "tag"

I'm sure that we can acknowledge that we just use terminology in different ways and try to approach this constructively, ha ha, who am I kidding, this is going to be full of wank and we're all going to die

[(Anonymous)]

DA

The difference is plain semantic, though, since "Warnings:" has been used in fandom for a long time as if it was "Contains:" and most people don't "warn" because they thins there's something wrong with something, but because the "warning" is there so people who dislike something avoid it.

[(Anonymous)]

Warning: kink, blood, bondage, D/s

Are we shaming those people now?

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

Only until they say the safe word.

[(Anonymous)]

Perfection.

^ SA

[(Anonymous)]

In case it wasn't clear, I was agreeing with you. Like "yes, other sexual things get warnings too"

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[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yeah, you're probably right.

I think probably the issue is confusion between that sense of 'warning' and trigger warnings, really - I think that's definitely what happened for me. People see warnings nowadays, they're accustomed to thinking of it in those terms - they're accustomed to warning meaning "I want to talk about this thing but I know that it's deeply traumatic for some people." So those two senses of the word get conflated and you get a big ol' thing going on.

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[bringreligiontothewamwams]

Warnings are for stuff that is generally offensive, so warning for homo and trans people would be acceptable in fic written during the 1950s, but not any more. Conversely warning for racism would be a dumb thing to do in a 1930s written fic, because everyone went out and kicked a nigger on the way home from work (Warning preceding sentence contained racism), but really needs warned for now (except in Florida, where stalking and shooting a nigger is still legally endorsed). It is a moving target.

Trigger warnings are just stupid in general though and have diluted the value of tags and real warnings.

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[(Anonymous)]

I think you may be a troll.

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[bringreligiontothewamwams]

What, opinions you do not like are just "troll" now? When did you get to be the arbiter of opinions?

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[(Anonymous)]

not "may be", definitely is

and there's not really any point in you trying to prove it to them, they know it, we all know it.

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[(Anonymous)]

I was going to remind you that the usage of warning in different fandom spaces makes all this a semantic issue, but after those lasts words? I have to agree with the other anon.

[(Anonymous)]

Oooh, how cool would it be if fandom could just adopt a "contains:" header instead of "warning"!

[(Anonymous)]

Except nobody likes warnings for slash. In 99%+ of slash ships, it's going to be obvious it's a slash story just from the characters named. I would think canonically trans* characters would not need to be "warned" for for the same reason- if you're familiar with the source, you know their story.

If the author is making a character not canonically stated to be trans* into a transperson, I would like to know before going into because it changes my understanding of that person's characterization, and that isn't obvious from names like most slash pairings are.

[(Anonymous)]

If the author is making a character not canonically stated to be trans* into a transperson, I would like to know before going into because it changes my understanding of that person's characterization, and that isn't obvious from names like most slash pairings are.

+1

[fingalsanteater]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

"Except nobody likes warnings for slash. In 99%+ of slash ships, it's going to be obvious it's a slash story just from the characters named."

Then I have to wonder why AO3 went so far as to create the option of marking the work as m/m, f/f, f/m or/and other.
Maybe it's because people do like to know if the story contains slash/femslash/het/something else or not and listing the characters/parings names isn't enough?

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe someone wants to look for ALL the f/f fic in a fandom. It'd be a pain to think of all the possible pairing names -- so just having to click f/f makes things like this a lot smoother. Nothing too mysterious about this imo.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but that's not the only use for it, isn't it?

It's common for people to tag a fic A/B and then mark it as Gen, too, since it's gen despite what can seems like thanks to their relationship tag.

I have seen also many fics that tag the characters, but don't use the relationship tags. As a result a 'A, B, m/m' is the only hint we have that they're the main paring and the fic not being gen.

And let's not mention the issue with genderswamp fics...

[(Anonymous)]

I think some of this secret's thread has fallen into the genderswamp. ;)

[(Anonymous)]

I do think this option's only intent was to make searching for stuff easier. Authors not using the system productively is another matter altogether ...

[(Anonymous)]

In some cases, no, the character's names aren't enough. In video game fandoms where the protagonist has the same name regardless of gender (e.g. Mass Effect or Dragon Age), pairing tags are very important in finding the exact permutation of the OTP you want to read.

[(Anonymous)]

Just to be totally shallow, I sometimes search fandom+f/f, so it's appreciated in that way.

[(Anonymous)]

this