[ SECRET POST #2465 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2465 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Twin Peaks]


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03.
[Doonesbury, O Human Star]


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04.
[Two of a Kind]


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05.
[Cleopatra/Elizabeth Taylor]


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06.
[The Final Descent by Rick Yancey]


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07.
[Attack on Titan]


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08.
[Sleepy Hollow]


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09.
[Whitechapel]


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10.
[Outlast]



















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Comments

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

That's just fine with me but I'd rather hope anyone who writes fic with such a mindset keeps in mind that maybe colonial times would not have looked kindly on homosexuality? If he's bi, he's probably repressed that side greatly and the freedom of the 21st century in that regard would come as a huge shock to him.

But then I know a lot of fanfic writers prefer to ignore the fact that past eras didn't accept homosexuality like we do now. Someone is bound to get bitchy about how portraying real attitudes is somehow intolerant.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh but there have been gay people who've lived throughout the ages, some of whom were rather out in the open about their sexuality.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Just because some gay people lived un troubled lives, doesn't guarantee every gay person in history lived with no trouble. A lot of history was less than tolerant, so you can't just say there was no problem at all.

It's really a matter of research. Find out if there's any information on attitudes at the time and work out if mentioning it is even relevant to the plot of a fic.
As I said, it could be easily argued that Ichabod repressed the side of him that was attracted to men, and he was also married and given the era he's from, was more than likely devoted to his wife and would have had an ingrained aversion to adultery.

[gruesome]

The British and American militaries of the 1700s were both rabid about hanging men who had sex with men, so he would not have been open about it.

[(Anonymous)]

Wasn't there that thing in the British Navy where they sent people in as moles to point out the sodomites because it was getting a bit too gay and what happened was that gay people actually signed up to be a mole and it basically was all a big failure?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes; and then it was quietly done away with so they wouldn't get more egg on their face when they realized what was happening (without actually saying what was happening of course).

[(Anonymous)]

On the show, the Colonists apparently had the time to manufacture steel stairs and a bridge to put in their munitions storage tunnel. It's amazing, considering that technology wouldn't exist for about 100 more years.

Yeah, if the show isn't worrying too much about historic accuracy than I wouldn't either.

Regarding homosexuality, it's interesting to note that at this period there was a VERY large debate going on in England as to whether homosexuality was something you were born being or whether it was a choice and a sin.

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On the show, the Colonists apparently had the time to manufacture steel stairs and a bridge to put in their munitions storage tunnel. It's amazing, considering that technology wouldn't exist for about 100 more years.

Yeah, if the show isn't worrying too much about historic accuracy than I wouldn't either.

Regarding homosexuality, it's interesting to note that at this period there was a VERY large debate going on in England as to whether homosexuality was something you were born being or whether it was a choice and a sin. <a href='http://rictornorton.co.uk/eighteen/jones1.htm">Here's an essay and some links</a>. Also , there were gay cruising grounds in England and bisexuals did go to them; <a href="http://rictornorton.co.uk/eighteen/1761bail.htm">here's a contemporary account</i>:

So, given that this debate had just gone on when Ichabod was, um, preserved, a clever writer could build a story in which Ichabod was bisexual and had some association with the culture, was aware of the debate in England (especially given the timing of his departure from there) and when Abbey, assuming he's going to be a serious homophobe, tries to gently explain gay rights to him, she's totally shocked because he takes it in complete stride. (Later she discovers that he assumes that debate in 1772 sparked the loosening of strictures on homosexuality and that things have been ducky since about 1800, because as we have established Ichabod is an idealist. Then she has to explain Stonewall, Section 28 and the recent laws in Russia.)

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Well that there is what I mean about research. As you say, good grounds for a characterisation of Ichabod who isn't too up tight about gay issues.

Just as long as people do at least a little research and find something like this, instead of pulling things out of their proverbial ass. (And A/Ns with notes pointing out sources would be good too, to show that accurate fics are not pulling an easier attitude out of their proverbial.)

[(Anonymous)]

because as we have established Ichabod is an idealist

And there you go.