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⌈ Secret Post #2468 ⌋

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Comments

[forgottenjester]

Um, fast paced doesn't automatically make it good and I was against Cumberbatch playing this role in particular. (Besides, we were talking about the whole movie Wrath of Khan, not just Khan himself.)

Plus, I'm one of those people where story is the most important thing. If you don't have that I'm probably not going to like your movie.

But to cut my points very, very short I will say that I felt making Wrath of Khan II (Into Darkness) was incredibly clumsy, lazy, and sometimes downright insulting writing. I found no redeeming parts in that script.

[(Anonymous)]

an interesting perspective. I wonder would you like ST Into Darkness if it had a better script but used the same basic plot? Did you like the first Reboot?

I'm a TOS fan and didn't hate the movie although they do have writing problems, yeah.

[forgottenjester]

I liked the first reboot movie. It wasn't perfect but I liked it. I suppose I would like the second movie if it was better written and it had the same basic plot. If by basic plot you mean, you know, "Starfleet has been doing unsavory things in order to be a bigger powerhouse. One of these things is now biting them in the butt and has gone rogue. They try to cover it up. The Enterprise team not only uncovers the truth but beats the rogue and the corrupt officials." That's pretty solid.

The next part is me explaining a bit better my opinion on the movie. It is negative so ignore it if you don't want to read that kind of thing.

In all honesty I think I would have the same opinion even if I had never watched TOS because I just really didn't like the writing. I didn't understand why they even bothered having some scenes. I didn't understand where the relationship progression between all the characters had come from. I didn't like how they story-wise treated women or people who aren't white. I felt the "moral of the story" was both tacked on and ham-fisted. The fact that I had seen the movies it rips whole ideas and scenes from only meant I had another gripe on top of all the others.

I thought this opinion wasn't very rare for people who didn't like the movie, however. But maybe I'm mistaken.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, there were quite a few unnecessary scenes! I'm kinda indifferent about the relationship aspect, as I assume a lot have happened since the 1st movie.

People on my friend-list mostly liked the movie. They noticed graphics and good actors. On the flip side, they didn't care for revenge, violence and overall message inconsistent with TOS.

Plot holes and how they treated women are two main things I disliked about STID. By plot holes I mean the all-curring blood and its consequences for human medicine, also the lack of orbital security which should have stopped Enterprise before she fell on Earth, the whole Chekhov is an engineer business... It just isn't convincing. I 'm starting to rant, so stopping here.

[forgottenjester]

Hmm, I would like to assume that too but to not see any reason for that growth at all seems... like bad writing to me. I don't know. I suppose more of an allusion to previous time together would be nice. But in all honestly, I think they just kept being forced into an emotional state they weren't at yet and so it felt jumpy and awkward.

Hmm, that is a problem too.

Aw, you didn't like the blood? Because that's the point I started giggling in the theater. Yeah, I wondered about those two things too. They just didn't make sense. It's like the more you think about the movie the more cracks you find.

It's okay. I don't mind ranting.