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Most of our languages have sexist baggage, that's just how it is. Language grows out of culture. But you can't change the culture just by using certain words, especially since most people don't even know the roots of the word "hysterical" until someone yells at them for being sexist?

That or learn Esperanto. I dare you to just start using Esperanto.

So I assume you are in favour of using the words Nigger and Faggot? Not as an insult but in the more modern context you see it used in various songs/online image bords, right?

After all most of our languages has baggage, that's just how it is. Language grows out of culture. But you can't change the culture just by using certain words.

So by that token, it's perfectly acceptable for those very white kids who use the word nigga and fag as terms of endearment. They should be encouraged, right? because they're helping to bury the old meaning of the word, right?

In 100 years they will be used by everyone any ways.

And what the hell do white kids have to do with the term "fag"? Can black kids use it as a term of endearment?

oh come on. you know full well that the colour of the kids was in reference to the use of the word nigger. Yes I forgot to say "White/Straight" well done.

Well, you're the one discussing semantics, you should try to be a little more exact in your choice of words.

Did you seriously just compare these?

Because if so you're pretty much beneath my arguing with. I'm going to go talk to Araikas instead.

Except that hysterical was never used as an actual slur

MORON
That's not even REMOTELY the same thing and you're a fucking IDIOT not to get that. Go back to fucking middle school where you fucking belong, you child.

"Hysterical" might be far worst than most, as its misogynist history derives not from some obscure latinate etymology, but rather the very real gaslighting women faced at the hands of psychologists from the 19th and even 20th goddamned centuries.

Worse, it's 100% intended as a misogynist slur, rather than a generic one, when many people aware of said historical context (especially MRAs) use it.

I agree with most of your comment, but I ask you not to confuse MRAs with People.

Shhhhh, SJW anon. Go bother Noodly or Kaijincendre.

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So all.....50 people who know the historical context. Wow.

I'm wondering - is gaslighting derived from the play/movie?

Think so.

NAYRT

I have no idea, I thought it was something Emilie Autumn made up. What is the play about?

Re: It's "hysterical."

(Anonymous) - 2013-10-06 22:13 (UTC) - Expand

Re: It's "hysterical."

(Anonymous) - 2013-10-06 23:02 (UTC) - Expand

It's about a man trying to convince his wife she's going crazy. The method which gave the play its name was gradually lowering the gaslight and telling her it was every bit as bright as it was before, and she was just imagining things.

And, yes, the play is, in fact, the origin of the term.

Gas Light, the play:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_Light

Movie version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslight_%281944_film%29

Gaslighting as psychological abuse:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

The play is basically about a guy who is up to no good. In order to prevent his wife from getting suspicious and alerting the authorities, he tries to make her believe she is going insane by insisting the strange things she notices are not really happening. Calling someone "hysterical" can be a form of gaslighting in that historically people have thrown the term at women to dismiss any of their concerns or complaints as the product of a disturbed mind or a weak, female sensibility and not legitimate issues that ought to be addressed.

Thank you.

Besides all of this, I don't see why so many people have such a big problem with someone asking for a different choice. They're not saying everyone has to stop using this word, they're just saying they would like to stop using it because of it's misogynist history.

I realize this, but it's become separated from the original meaning simply because most people don't realize the source. It's much different from a lot of misogynist language in that way; people have no idea what "hyst" means and don't know until they're being yelled at for it. However, I disagree with this:

it's 100% intended as a misogynist slur

No--it's a misogynist medical term. A lot of people legitimately believed women were sometimes nuts for ladyreasons. It's important to remember that these messed up views were held in earnest and not meant to be mean.

It's difficult to accuse people of gaslighting when the gaslighters legitimately believe you are crazy and are trying to help.

Edited 2013-10-06 22:52 (UTC)

(ari who cant log in from her mobile)'intended as' by the mras and misogynists of today, not the psychiatrists of yesteryear. no one is suggesting that you have a wandering womb when they call you typical hysterical woman for not agreeing them about the pay gap on reddit and suggesting you go see someone for treatment with a vibrator. theyre using the context that word maintains to suggest that you like all women are biologically hardwired for irrationality.

I know, I know. You're right.

I'm a historian. I'm stuck over in my corner by the bookcase yelling at phantom freshmen about cultural context. Sorry. : p

I have nooo idea what hyst is, so pop me on that line

I meant the prefix "hyst" or "hist," meaning having to do with the female body parts.

So a "hysterectomy" is the removal of a woman's uterus and ovaries, for example.

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