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[Homestuck, Teen Wolf, Supernatural and Sherlock]

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[Supernatural]

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[Watashi ga motenai no wa dou kangaetemo omaera ga warui]

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[Agents of SHIELD]

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[Sleepy Hollow]

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[Fullmetal Alchemist]

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[World of Warcraft]

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[Pacific Rim]

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[Richard III in "The White Queen"]

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AYRT

Two instances I can think of: when Mako shows him to his room and talks about his fighting technique and DARES to criticize him by saying he's unpredictable, he gets all mansplainy and patronizing and goes, "Well, when you're *in combat* you have to make decisions" like she couldn't possibly understand because he's been in combat and she's just some amateur Jaeger fangirl. I concede that most of it struck me because of the actor's delivery, but nevertheless, the dialogue alone gives the same impression.

Also, as I said, every time they were in combat he wouldn't stop giving her orders like she couldn't figure out what to do next without his help (never mind the fact that aren't they supposed to be reading each other's minds? and that her simulator score was supposedly 51/51 so if Raleigh was so impressed he should have acted like she knew what she was doing).

Judging from this thread, clearly YMMV but I really wish there was more discussion of the fucked up aspects of this film in regards to Mako's characterization.

Or maybe Raleigh is an intensely damaged young man and is shown to be defensive as hell to everyone from and he would have said exactly the same thing to ANYONE who criticizes him from Chuck all the way up to Pentecost.

It's nothing to do with Mako being a woman and everything to do with Raleigh being stuck in his own head.

As for the other: Think about it for a moment. If YOU had been given a machine that locked into your head and fought in it for months. Had felt your brother DIE in that machine, and then someone who'd never piloted that machine was in it with you? Would you not try to help them, too? Again, nothing to do with Mako being female and everything to do with the fact that GD is Raleigh's baby. Even if, in the end, Mako knew more about it than he did, thanks to the upgrades.

Very possibly I'm making a mistake by jumping into this when I'm completely and utterly unfamiliar with the fandom, but I'm noticing that you keep responding in this thread with in-universe justifications. These may be perfectly valid points; it's entirely possible that these two characters with their various traits and backgrounds wouldn't conceivably interact any other way... but at the same time, those interactions and personalities were deliberately chosen by someone, and they could just as easily have written them in ways where they would have reacted differently or teamed them up with other characters instead of throwing them together.

The results may be inevitable on the characters' level, but the writers could have taken the narrative in a variety of other directions. There are any number of stories that could have been told here, and they chose this one.

anon the ayrt is rt (if that makes any sense)

YES, EXACTLY. This is what I mean. My problem is that there were SO many different ways for the lone female character with lines in this film to have been handled and for the other male characters to interact with her that would still have made sense within this universe and yet the writer/TPTB/whoever chose to execute it in such a way that it comes across, whether unintentionally or not, really patronizing and downright offensive.

I know you are trying to speak about trends, but I think you're wrong with PR. The only way that relationship could have been handled any way else would be to switch the genders of Mako and Raleigh. If you think that the very act of Del Toro choosing Raleigh as the seasoned pilot was sexist*, then I guess your point can stand. Otherwise I can't see how it does.

*Which, hell, would have made the movie bomb even harder in the States, because that's how Action Movies work, however sad that is. As it is we get two awesome women pilots in the main movie - piloting 50% of the giant robots we see moving - and even more in the non-movie canon comic.

Two women pilots, one of whose lines can be counted with the fingers of one hand and who dies the first time we actually see her in combat. And her watch had been supposed to remain unbreached for six years or somesuch. Again, it would have been really easy to make her a much more prominent character and that alone would have made a huge difference.

The only ones I feel that could have been female would have been the scientists. Either of them. Everyone else is fine by me.

Except, trends or no, thread!OP started off by arguing that Mako herself doesn't pass the Mako Mori test. Which means that, quite frankly, OP him/herself is arguing along specific lines. The fact that Raleigh would have almost certainly treated a male copilot EXACTLY the same way as he treated Mako is pretty damn relevant. IIRC, that is considered one of the other "tests".

The problem is that this characterization between these two characters are part of a broader problem in the film industry. So people are going to be a lot less likely to write it off as just ~character quirks~ and are going to be much more likely to attribute it to yet another example of the type of thing that's been happening in movies since they started making them.

YMMV obviously, but I thought when Mako criticises Raleigh's fighting technique he takes it fairly well. He doesn't deny it or disregard her opinion (or her entitlement to an opinion), he basically cops her criticism and offers an explanation that when he's in the moment he makes split second decisions that he has to live with.

Combat-wise, I don't think he is giving her orders. He's verbalising decisions that they are making in tandem, for the benefit of LOCCENT (back at the Shatterdome) who are listening on the radio. The novelisation makes it clear that pilots are trained to "call" their moves in a way, both to let LOCCENT understand what's going on and also because for inexperienced pilots, it provides a focus point mentally while they're still relatively new are drifting in a combat situation. We hear other pilot teams doing a similar thing - Sasha Kaidonovsky tends to call moves while Aleksis remains silent.

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